So each and every one of them need to build their own trust through this multi-stakeholder model on the best use of AI and so on. So whether it is chips, whether it’s internet, whether it’s AI and so on, we want to share this idea that Taiwan is trustworthy . We’re the home of trusted tech.
These are fond memories. That empowered me, so that when my interest in studying swift trust , which is how come people trust people over the Internet easier than we trust people face to face? That was my research topic back when I was 14. Actually, all the way to when I was 41 now. [laughs] I was studying this issue.
Sure. They basically want to sow discord. And they also want to change the way words mean so that people don’t trust in democracy anymore. That’s the endgame. They care less about getting somebody elected, but rather about people not trust each other anymore and not trust democracy anymore because they have an alternate government system to sell.
Again, to quote stanza 17, “To give no trust is to get no trust . When the work is done right, there’s no first, no boasting. Ordinary people say, ‘Oh, we did it.’” That’s collective intelligence.
If we trust the people with the same information that we have received ourself, the same data that we have access to ourselves, then people become trustworthy . They too would like to contribute to the public health.
It does not actually entirely replace paper-based registration forms at venues. If you trust the venue owner more than you trust your own telecom operator, then, of course, you can continue to use paper-based registration.
For the episteme to work, for knowing where to work, everyone needs to trust each other. I’m sending you a blog post that I wrote of this particular matter about how trusting the citizen part works.
To your mind, what are the links between the Sunflower movement and the public response to the Sunflower occupation and 2020 government trust , social trust , and how all of that came together in this pandemic response?
The trust must first be gained with the social sector who trust each other, and then the private sector and the public sector join. At least, that’s what we have found to be sustainable in Taiwan.
It’s not good to asking people trust the government, without the government trusting back first, because that would be fascism. That’s like the definition of fascism. [laughs] We’re kind of the counter to that.
It doesn’t work the other way around. We cannot say, "We should do nothing and have the citizen trust us." That would be fascism. I think what we really need is to conditionlessly trust the public.
I think that illustrates very well this kind of mutual trust business going on.
I think it is just people trust their precincts and district offices a lot.
All of that interaction and openness, is that really helping to build public trust ?
If you’re talking about intergenerational trust , this is a focus theme for CommonWealth.
That’s an interesting choice in your putting trust in the middle of it.
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我想任何做開放政府的人，最後的目標是希望民間社會跟政府是互信的情況，也就是說， trust是最稀少的資源 。所以我們做transparency、accountability、inclusion都是為了增加這個trust。但是trust是雙方面的，如果事務官或者是政務官，沒有辦法相信民眾能夠做出有意義建議的話，其實民眾根本沒有道理來相信政府；如果民眾是在政府都不相信人民的情況下，盲目相信政府，那個是法西斯，也是很危險的情況。
So, because of radical transparency of how the mechanism works, everybody can verify that is only going to the site that they actually trust and if you don’t trust any of the telecommunication carriers, you can use the Taipei city municipal government’s app scanner. So, there are the six telecom and if you don’t trust any of the six players, you can still stamp or write your way in if you trust the venue more than you trust the telecom but at the end of the day, it will all go back…
It was very, very low. But based on radical transparency and civic participation, we’re able to rebuild that. In 2020 it was 70% and it’s now, like, consistently over 50%. So I think we were able to essentially recover from the trust crisis not by asking people to trust government, but having the public service trust in the people.
