It's difficult to understand, I think, for people coming from Taiwan in that era, how this could work. Because i guess there is a specific context to taiwan where at the same time you have a lot of people that are very literate about technology about what we want to try about hacking about democracy and what we want to build and on the other side i guess so on the government you have people that were willing to accept to try new things what was specific you know when you look at European countries and you know what was specific to Taiwan.