You should interview Peggy Lo. She joined the Ministry of Health and Welfare (MOHW) before I entered the cabinet and, during the KMT‑to‑DPP transition, helped foster deliberation and direct social communication in MOHW. The first Join platform citizen initiative—adapted from the vTaiwan multi‑stakeholder model—accelerated coverage for an expensive cancer drug in our national health insurance. She handled hard cases extremely well. She became our archetypal Participation Officer.