In social systems, once you solve a problem, people work around the solution and cause new problems. And so I think that is why we need to work with the people, not just for the people. So techno-solutionism thinks that, oh, elites solve problems for the people. But a social scientist or a social worker says that we work with the people to empower them, so everyone can look at the problem and also innovate around that problem in a local ownership fashion, instead of waiting for somebody who is elite to solve the problem for them. So from “for the people” to “with the people,” I think this is important. This is also basically the same as we just talked about, from vertical alignment to horizontal alignment.