In terms of there are different cases, different issues, launched on vTaiwan website, but sometimes we need to have a different mindset to help us out on reformatting the slides or have a different look on open dictionary. It would be nice to have people from different backgrounds to participate ...

There are some bullet points probably to be pulled out that can describe the challenge of vTaiwan right now. We like to attract people who can help us on that. We’ll be up to attract more people in a sense of people with different dynamics in their skill sets to ...

I’ll bring those on my slide. I think we talk about challenge some current state as in how we could possibly improve vTaiwan from now on. Those are very flexible recurring system already. It actually depends on what are different types of people and what are different skills we have ...

Yes. I can stay on until noon before my lunch meeting, but yes.

No. You shared some feeling also when I joined the g0v community before. You come out with some more questions.

Yes. It’s complimentary too. It also makes sense to merge, and to talk about what possibilities. Of course we can create something together, and fork more different versions afterwards, but it’s really a bit tough. It’s kind of collaboration between different skillsets.

I think it’s interesting when project merge like when the Sense team came to IBM team. Because I think both teams are in lack of some resources the other team actually has.

Yes. You’re right.

The last video already described about keng. We make this all requirements to launch the vTaiwan case as different kengs and ask people if they want to join and help out.

The current status is we know to launch a topic on vTaiwan’s website. We probably need the dictionary. We need the slides. We need a name and tech line and some description. To fulfill all of that, we make few kengs.

Sometimes we made a tech line just for the viewers of vTaiwan’s website to understand [laughs] not only a specific case, but also a tech line to understand what this issue’s potentially about and what other controversial points people can probably start to look at from beginning.

They’ll help out to put out the slides. They’ll be on the slides trying to describe what the issue is about. People who are good at, for example, design can try to make the slides more with a better presentation. Maybe sometimes we also make a logo for a topic.

Also, probably people who are in charge of the case in the ministries, especially public servants who have been working on this case for a long time and they understand the regulation very well.

People bring in their skills. There’ll be people who are good at translating more difficult law terminologies to easier-to-understand description. Those people will take the lead to make an open dictionary. We call it "mini-lexicon".

People...

We always say vTaiwan community actually means whoever is having accounts in vTaiwan’s platform and also who have interest to participate in the vTaiwan Hackathons and so on. Essentially, a very broad community, and probably you will have around a thousand people right now.

Platform economy regulation.

That’s probably the only requirement, because we need to be able to communicate between the two different...

Every issue has to have both commitment from the society’s side and also the government’s side to be able to launch on the vTaiwan’s platform.

Yeah, it could be PO who made the initiatives. For example, two days ago, PO also came to vTaiwan Hackathon, but for vTaiwan’s context, anyone can take the initiative to bring up an idea from the civil society. The only requirement is to have a contact also from the government ...

If there’s any case in their ministries and they feel like, "OK," but they want to interface with smart people, oftentimes they actually can bring up in the monthly PO meetings. We’ll also do a transcript from that. It’s possible to be brought up to vTaiwan, as well.

Yeah, I think it’s clear that the POs can choose any subjects actually, not only from joint website also. They can bring up any issues they think that it will be nice to discuss with their broader network of people, maybe from people they couldn’t even imagine to talk with ...

There’re some real issues going, real topics we’re discussing in the vTaiwan Hackathon. Before last week, we were discussing about how to formulate the questionnaire, and before that, we probably were discussing about end goals to look at this issue.

Stakeholders.

Contributing on some part.

That’s what we...

It’s open space so she can actually make a cake. It’s Open Kitchen.

Yeah, the POs came. PO from Ministry of Transportation and Communication, they came.

People gathered together and shared whatever they want. There’s also a friend who’s making a start-up. She really need help for some brainstorming sessions, so she worked here and grabbed us whenever we have five minutes to put a Post-It to her wall. [laughs] That was last week. That was ...

I invite some friends I consider as makers and I asked them if they can help. That was two days ago. There’s some other people from different backgrounds, like two other researchers working on observing open governments seen in Taiwan. There are people who are there to discuss about the ...

I remember I wanted to work on something with my friends there to work on a vehicle that’s supposed to carry a camera around so people online also wanting to participate in vTaiwan could participate with a live stream video. They can have a control to a vehicle which is ...

Two days ago on Wednesday, because we always spoke around at a certain timeframe, Wednesday afternoon to evening. Two days ago, we started from three o’clock, around 3:00, 4:00-ish. We booked Open Kitchen inside the social innovation lab.

All right. It was probably good.

Welcome aboard.

That’s my honor.

Yeah, you mentioned. You can tell it again, about your idea.

...and Fiorella is part of it.

I think it will be a nice start if you can just go shuttle around and see how these projects work.

To me, it looks like a very interesting project just to look at the word around collaboration and the actors around it. I’m not sure how many projects over here will be within your interest, or will in the end be the case study in your PhD thesis.

The comparison between these two projects could be treated separately, or could be treated on the same path, because it’s all about collaboration. Whether it’s collaboration among private and public sector, or within the public sector, among all ministries in the government.

For me, seeing PO network and its function, it could be an interesting comparison between how we institutionalized the PO network within the government, and also how we are thinking to probably institutionalize vTaiwan in the end.

There’s a thing I think would probably be in your interest, because you mentioned if institutionalizing vTaiwan would be a good idea or not. Currently, you are also putting us a question still. There’s no result yet. We are still on our way to probably institutionalizing, or it’s just never ...

It’s mainly about lunch and having coffee with them.

I know you can speak in Mandarin, also listen to Mandarin well. I’m not worried about having you in other projects as well. Also, I know you especially show interest in PO network once?

Another way is probably, I can give you some appointments I have, then we can meet out there while I’m having a meeting. We can also have a rough arrangement. By default, I will be in SIL every Wednesday, so we’ll just meet later.

Also, I’m between places in this office and another office. Whenever there’s a meeting or any appointment with another PO, for example, I will just go there with my motorbike. Shadowing me would be one solution.

You probably have to prepare a helmet, you know? On the back of my motorbike.

I’m hard to be shadowed.

Thank you very much.

OK.