OK.

Do you speak French now?

I’m very interested by that.

OK, nice.

Of course, and you could send me the link.

OK.

You understand that what I publish will be a shortened version?

OK.

Now, I don’t know how you work. You are going to transcribe all the things?

Thank you very much for the great interview. Thank you very much. I love it a lot.

You make us understand that there’s World Wide Web and there’s another world, you don’t know it. Let’s try to understand it. That’s precious. It’s more precious than to say it’s the same thing that the way we presume machine are like us.

It’s something else. The good thing with you that you try to understand to people that acknowledges make understand how animals see the world.

I think that’s what the job you do with Internet, you make understand us what’s the world of Internet. Not to say "artificial Intelligence, it’s like you". I think it’s not true.

Yeah, no but the point, what’s important physically is that today we want to...That’s the big story you told. We want to open our hubs to all beings, animals, even machines. I think that animals, to respect animal is to understand they live in another world.

We want a right to agreement. What I mean is I think the question is not ended. You seem to say, "Yeah, the question is ended. The Cambridge University decides such so it’s such." I don’t think so.

No, I think that the question if it is a question of degree or a question of nature, of sense is not a question which is how to say degree is define. People have good arguments to say that animals have not accessed to what we call truth, to what ...

No, no...

What made me react is the way you said it’s the thing... The argument is done. There is no more discussion. There is still discussion about... You said Cambridge said the matter is fixed. I thought it was dogmatic.

It’s a discussion that needs two definitions and meaning as defined by philosophers is not something animal have access to.

Yes, but you define meaning so that animals has access to it. It’s a cycle because meaning as defined by philosophers, it’s not something to which animals have access.

You said the contrary just a moment ago.

I know. It’s the great argument of the end of the human specificity. I don’t mind because I think that there’s still good arguments to think that human and animals don’t belong to the same species and that they’re specific capacity that are special like language and the capacity to ...

Thank you very much. Just to say it’s amazing your capacity to pass from Internet to philosophy. I’m very surprised the way you think it’s like things clear evident that meanings that sense is not a human property. You said Cambridge University said it so it’s done. For me, it’s ...

You need philosophy in your life? It’s needed? It’s something you need in your life to read philosophy?

You need it to read philosophy?

You enjoy reading philosophers?

I would like ask you a last question. It’s about philosophy. We spoke about a lot of philosophers. What are the philosophers you read, who is active today and you link to Internet or not? How come?

OK.

Does it correspond to your desire because you can choose your political orientation? For your gender identity, it’s more difficult to make it like a choice?

I understand that you want to make pedagogy.

Neutral?

How did you experience the fact to change, so philosophy, existential experience? Why that happened? How did it happen? Politically, did it change something to be the first transgender minister?

Last question about you. You are transgender?

It’s the language and not ontology?

Would you say philosophically that new Internet of Things and Beings is like a new ontology where there is no more differences between human, things, a tree, a cow and you put everything on the same level?

By example, you think that agriculture tomorrow will be Internet Agriculture?

OK.

Beings?

I understand. Just one question, I heard that the big thing here about the Internet was the Internet of Things. Are you into that or it’s not part of your job?

Would you say that it’s the positive part of all the phenomena we see with Uber, Airbnb and so on? Besides the market, away that people can exchange rooms, exchange things, thanks to Internet?

Very speculative.

I understand. An example of an anarchist society where the past?

What’s the difference?

That political model of Internet and the World Wide Web, is it necessarily for you democratic?

All the chain that are linked to Internet today is more linked to the World Wide Web, and...

For you, the World Wide Web is superficial?

The view is nice.

It’s amazing because all the critics we can make about Internet, you say, "No. That’s World Wide Web, but we are Internet." It’s strange because it’s a way to avert criticism. You say, "The profound Internet, it’s the idea I make which is something profound."

Keep a city of young people to have performed lecture capacity to concentrate attention. What do you respond to them?

A little question on France. On that point, there’s a lot of people in France who think that Internet is damaging the part of the humanistic culture.