Which is?

That’s no proven.

Meaning. You said it produce meaning, new meaning.

It signify that a human cannot make the difference. It doesn’t mean that the box produce something human.

You understand also that the point you make it’s because people outside the box don’t see the difference between a human and a box, it doesn’t mean that the box acts like the human.

Can you give an example of a real producing of a new meaning?

And you think computers are capable of producing meaning by themselves?

For human the understanding it means you have been in the sense of a phrase, and you’re capable to catch the sense, not to catch what we learn you to catch.

What does it mean that? To understand for computer?

It’s very strange for someone who is used to culture to consider a computer as people or a person who... as agents to whom you have to make understand those other agents which are humans.

For me, it’s very strange because I’m not used to that. You explain that is to say, to make understand to computers human language, and to make understand to human how computers...

One thing is that what interests you is the Hofstadter works. You said, "I was interested by computational languages."

You consider it natural to discuss with a great philosopher? You had no -- how would you say? -- intimidation of the differences of age?

You were what age at the time?

...who speaks Mandarin?

You said that among the people you contacted at that time there was a philosopher, Douglas Hofstadter. Could you tell us why you were interested to his work and what kind of exchange you had with him?

It’s amazing. You understand that for us it’s very surprising that a kid could, by himself, auto-educate himself, go to Plato or Shakespeare by himself without a teacher who would say, "You have to do this, you have to do that, you have go to..." You seem not even to ...

It starts before the World War?

You did read literature by yourself?

Learning was on the Internet, but how did you learn literature? How did you learn ethics? Do you learn that by yourself, too?

Yeah, there are websites he likes to go. He’s coding a little bit, but...

My kid is not able to navigate as you did...

How come?

You were very, very early capable to navigate on the Internet?

What kind of questions did you ask, yourself, at the time?

It means that at 14, you were able to formulate question that seems to them interesting to respond?

It’s nice that they responded to a kid.

[laughs]

But how can...do you explain or do you parents explain that at the age of 13 or 14 you were able to follow graduate school?

What was your education? Because I think you were very precocious, you quit school very early. How that manage, you were very clever? You were very curious?

Then you came back to Taiwan?

Which age was it when...?

Saarland, OK.

Where?

For a year? OK. It was in Luxembourg?

For the French reader who doesn’t necessarily know you exactly, so who are you? I think you were raised in Europe.