And you also have a film coming out as well in two weeks. What can you tell us about your film?

I have it here.

So what is the best way to do that? Because I know you talk about this idea—it’s a concept that sounds ideal, this idea that people would have a community partnership in deciding what is true information and what is disinformation. But as you just said, these systems that have ...

It’s an interesting concept because we have seen accusations from the left that Elon Musk amplifies content that fuels outrage or is rage-bait for the conservative movement. But then you see people say the opposite if you’re on— They said the same thing about Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook when Facebook ...

You talk about how—here’s another quote: <em> “Instead of amplifying posts that spread misinformation or fuel outrage and division, social media platforms should empower their users to promote content that they value and that brings their communities together. What if instead of leaving content moderation to censorious governments or the ...

You’re right. What’s happened now is that, even though I would say there’s more free speech on Twitter 2.0 than we saw on Twitter 1.0, we do have echo chambers. People on the left, because of the polarizing election and because Elon Musk gave $270 million to support the presidential ...

Right. And I would agree with that because what we’re seeing now is echo chambers. Even though I would say X has…I mean, I’ve been censored on Twitter 1.0, and I’ve also been censored on Twitter 2.0. So I’ve been censored by Jack Dorsey, and I’ve been censored by Elon ...

Right.

Did you see similar things happen when you had the occupation of your own government buildings in Taiwan during the Sunflower Movement? Because it’s interesting to see how, around the world, there have been protest movements where citizens have occupied political buildings, and yet the reactions have been so drastic. ...

You mentioned the Sunflower Movement in Taiwan, and I wanted to get your take on this because what we saw here in the United States was a crackdown on free speech and a movement to increase censorship. Here in the United States, when we had our own January 6 protest ...

And so, given what you just said, how was your own reaction to J.D. Vance’s speech? Did you find yourself agreeing with most of what he said, or did you find yourself disagreeing with elements of it? Or do you agree that we’ve seen a degradation—an assault—on free speech and ...

Some people have also made the same argument about the Community Notes system on X, arguing that there’s only a select few people who can actually participate in it, meaning it’s not as open-source or as decentralized or as open to the public as it may portray itself to be. ...

So how would your system differ from a system like Facebook’s fact-checkers or what is now described as the X Community Notes system? Some people have argued—and we’ve seen this firsthand—how these systems, while they may have come with good intentions, have also been weaponized. We’ve seen the way Facebook ...

So, given that you not only attended the Munich Security Conference but you also spoke on behalf of Taiwan, what were your thoughts on J.D. Vance’s speech? What was the reaction, as an attendee? How did you feel in your position as the cyber ambassador? And what impact do you ...

I’d like to see that there’s now a renewed focus on free speech and the creation of platforms, but I still think there are challenges—not just in Taiwan, not just in other parts of the world. We saw this discussed at length, and it became a point of controversy during ...

Very interesting. And, of course, that’s a position that I wish we would have had here in the United States years ago, because we’ve seen now, finally, there seems to be a focus on free speech—especially now that we’re seeing the political vindication of President Trump with his reelection after ...

Absolutely. So you are Taiwan’s cyber ambassador, and you are also Taiwan’s first ever digital affairs minister, from August 2022 to February 2024. I think it’s an interesting concept because only now, here in the United States, do we have somebody who is fulfilling a similar role. I guess people ...

I want to welcome our first guest of the evening to <strong> Loomer Unleashed </strong> , Audrey Tang, who I believe is joining us from Taiwan or perhaps still Europe, but I know it’s somewhere overseas. So, Audrey, thank you so much for joining me on my program tonight. How ...