Thank you. Please join me in thanking Audrey Tang and Francesca Bria. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Last question—we’re short on time.

I would also like to apologize. I certainly did not intend to upset or harm anyone. We did have a conversation about it, and without context it was wrong. My deep apologies to anyone who felt hurt.

Awesome. We have time for questions. Please go ahead.

Great—thank you.

A quick lightning round: one bold idea. If you could implement one radical change to the regulatory landscape tomorrow, what would it be? Audrey?

Audrey, your book <em>Plurality</em> promotes interoperable, community‑driven systems—co‑authored openly with many contributors, including Glen, whom I know well. Francesca, you focus on European technological sovereignty. Are plurality and sovereignty aligned, complementary, or in tension? Audrey?

Audrey, what systems would you like to see to empower individuals over corporate and governmental power? Is EuroStack part of the answer? Are vTaiwan and Join part of it? How would you weave these together?

Awesome. Francesca, you have a suite of ideas—similar to Audrey’s but in the European context—around EuroStack, digital commons, and data commons. Tell us about the solution set you’re driving in Europe.

Let’s start with what “unlearning regulation” means to you both. What are the biggest challenges in the current regulatory environment? Francesca, would you like to go first?

Ready to jump in?

The question for this evening: Do traditional regulatory frameworks—built for industrial‑era technologies—still serve in the age of AI and an attention economy governed by algorithms? Are we clinging to outdated, ineffective regulatory platforms? What new models can promote democratic participation, technological sovereignty, and human‑centric innovation? How can regulation be reimagined ...

Francesca Bria is also an incredible human being—a leading innovation economist working at the intersection of technology, geopolitics, and society. Francesca is an honorary professor at the Institute for Innovation and Public Purpose at University College London and a fellow at Stiftung Mercator in Berlin, where she leads the EuroStack ...

Okay—forgive me. We’ll continue. Audrey helped develop participatory‑democracy platforms such as vTaiwan and Join, bringing civic innovation into the public sector through initiatives like the Presidential Hackathon and Ideathon.

He did…she…whatever…did it nonviolently.— No?

Audrey helped shape g0v (gov-zero), one of the most prominent civic-tech movements worldwide. In 2014, Audrey helped broadcast the demands of Sunflower Movement activists and worked to resolve conflicts during a three‑week occupation of Taiwan’s legislature.

Audrey Tang probably needs little introduction for many of you, but Audrey is so extraordinary that there are a few things I want to share. Audrey is a <em>TIME</em> 100 Most Influential People in AI honoree, Taiwan’s cyber ambassador, and served as Taiwan’s first digital minister. He…she…whatever… served the world’s ...

Hello, everybody. It’s so great to see you all, and I cannot tell you how honored I am to be on the same stage with these incredible people. We’re going to jump right in, if that works for everyone.

謝謝。請大家和我一起感謝唐鳳和 Francesca Bria。非常感謝您們。

謝謝。最後一個問題——我們的時間不多了。

我也想道歉。我當然無意讓任何人難過或受到傷害，我們確實有過那樣的對話，但在沒有脈絡的情況下說出來是不對的，我向任何感到受傷的人致以深深的歉意。

太棒了！我們有時間進行提問，請。

很棒——謝謝您。

一個快速的閃電問答：一個大膽的想法。如果您們明天就能在監管領域實施一項徹底的改變，那會是什麼？唐鳳？

唐鳳，您的書《多元宇宙》（Plurality）提倡可互通、社群驅動的系統——這本書是與包括我熟識的 Glen 在內的許多貢獻者開放式地共同撰寫的。Francesca，您專注於歐洲的技術主權。「多元」與「主權」是一致的、互補的，還是緊張的？唐鳳？

唐鳳，您希望看到什麼樣的系統來賦權個人，使其超越企業和政府的權力？EuroStack 是答案的一部分嗎？vTaiwan 和 Join 是其中的一部分嗎？您會如何將這些編織在一起？

太棒了。Francesca，您有一套想法——類似於唐鳳的，但在歐洲的脈絡下——圍繞著 EuroStack、數位公地和資料公地。跟我們談談您在歐洲推動的解決方案組合。

讓我們從「解學習：監管」對您們兩位來說意味著什麼開始。當前監管環境中最大的挑戰是什麼？Francesca，您想先開始嗎？

準備好開始了嗎？

今晚的問題是：那些為工業時代技術打造的傳統監管框架，在這個由演算法治理的 AI 與注意力經濟時代，是否仍然適用？我們是否仍墨守於過時、無效的監管平台？什麼樣的新模式可以促進民主參與、技術主權和以人為本的創新？監管要如何被重新構想為動態的、參與式的、具適應性的？

Francesca Bria 同樣是一位了不起的人物——她是頂尖的創新經濟學家，致力於科技、地緣政治與社會的交會點。Francesca 是倫敦大學學院創新與公共事務研究所的榮譽教授，也是柏林墨卡托基金會的研究員，她在那裡領導關於歐洲數位主權的 EuroStack 倡議。她是西班牙總理 Pedro Sánchez 設立的西班牙 AI 國際委員會成員，也是波隆那義大利創新局的局長。我可以一直說下去，但我想我已經讓兩位夠不好意思了。

好的——請原諒我。我們繼續。唐鳳協助開發了 vTaiwan 和 Join 等參與式民主平台，透過總統盃黑客松和點子松等倡議，將公民創新帶入公部門。

他…她…無所謂…是以非暴力的方式做到的。—— 不對嗎？

唐鳳協助形塑了 g0v（零時政府），這是全球最著名的公民科技運動之一。2014 年，唐鳳協助廣播了太陽花學運運動者的訴求，並在臺灣立法院長達三週的佔領行動中，致力於解決衝突。

唐鳳對許多人來說，大概不需我多做介紹，但唐鳳是如此非凡，以致於有幾件事我仍想分享。唐鳳是《時代》雜誌 AI 百大影響力人物、臺灣的數位治理大使，並曾任臺灣首位數位發展部長。他…她…無所謂…是全球首位非二元性別的內閣部長。

大家好。很高興見到大家，我無法形容能和這些傑出的人們同台，我感到有多麼榮幸。如果大家不介意的話，我們就直接切入正題。