What’s the change that you’re hoping to see?

OK, cool. Can you tell us a bit about the digital government movement in Taiwan, and some of the ideas behind that?

OK.

I’m expecting to work with you.

I’m going to work that through the pathway of the university. I think that was a good idea. I’m trying to invite Kel and his wife back to set some fires everywhere.

Kel has been talking with me about his idea to have VR festival here.

Oh, OK.

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Yeah.

Yeah, but try to rebuild it online.

You two together, sitting together, have a very relaxing conversation.

Yeah. That’s right.

My second thought is that, I really enjoy your relaxing conversation. Is it possible for you to have a similar occasion to be on the Google things you did just a few weeks ago, and talking about the VR and try to open the eyes for those in audience who ...

Because we are trying to set up a virtual college on digital arts in Chengchi University.

Is it possible...? After our workshop next week, I’m thinking to extend similar meaningful programs for the young students here, so if there’s a possibility I might come and listen to it, to follow, to try to maximize.

Makes sense.

Is it possible you teach again?

What was that occasion? Are you still teaching now as a minister?

Though I couldn’t fully follow your conversation it has been so interesting. There are a few things coming into my mind. I have a question for Audrey. You just mentioned that you taught in Kaohsiung and Hangzhou.

But Kel is going to have video shot during this trip, right?

I was asking...