I think to have a tiered pricing system or tiered subsidy system where the smaller vessels are, of course, paying less for getting higher subsidies, and the larger vessels which can definitely afford this already would be getting less.

For us, we’re very open to that to figuring it out, to sitting down and negotiating and discussing what are the solutions.

One thing that is very important to raise here is that we’re not just talking about spouses. We’re talking about children and not having parents, but also for workers to be able to organize with each other and speak to their organizations, to Stella Maris and other advocates.

So in a stakeholder conversation where we can really troubleshoot that. We would love that to be the case. There are other solutions. We just understand right now that having video, having the ability to communicate live for workers, not only with their families and children.

I think the question is, is this a political will question because of what it means for workers to have a voice, or is it actually caustic? Can we solve the practical pieces together?

An analysis of that so we can be logical and practical in the solutions, we’re very open to that.

We also understand that not all vessels are equal. Some vessel owners and companies might have more profit and are able to make those discretionary decisions, while other companies are not that profitable, and those are the ones that need the subsidies.

Exactly. What you are suggesting is if there’s more competition, we can lower the cost, and then we can still work with the pool of money that the FA is offering.

Yeah. Do you think there are particular satellite providers that we should be communicating with and telling them about our campaign as well?

It is covered.

I’m not sure we should ask them.

That’s a good point. Do you have any sense of that?

I think it’s the latter. It’s 10 percent of the fleet. I think they have committed to subsidize WiFi for 10 percent of the fleet. There’s approximately 1,100 Taiwanese-flagged vessels and an additional 250 flag of convenience, these other kind of vessels. 10 percent of that would be 110 fishing ...

She’s far away from you.

We’re not in a rush. [laughs]

…they are the right people.

Thank you for letting me join this conversation.

We, too.