Oh, okay. Yeah, still not trivial. Okay. Yeah, the TAITRA which runs the TICC, we also work with them quite a bit. They are obviously more like external trade focused, but I am sure that if you are already in touch with INGO and Foreign Service, they also work very ...

I mean, 10,000 is non-trivial amount, I’m curious.

So, 10,000 people, right? So which venue in Taipei do you have…

Aside from these two I don’t know whether anyone from the end would suggest more like natural allies to connect. But if anything occurs to your mind you have each other’s email.

So, getting in touch with the National Academy and the Information Institute as well as the Information Innovation Unit… I mean the head of the unit is our next Digital Minister, so I think that makes a lot of sense. While the National Academy may not, by itself, have a ...

The other natural ally I believe is the human rights academic community. I mean g0v summits runs in the National Academy for a reason and the reason is that the National Academy has traditionally been the main convener for not just the g0V hackathons but anything related to online right, ...

Yeah, so as I mentioned, anything that’s related to the IGF or Internet Governance in general is a focal point for TWNIC. And we channel most of our relevant budgets into TWNIC to these sort of things, and TWNIC is also independently rich by selling the TW domains. And so, ...

But Internet governance, as you know, requires this long-term relationship building. So, a more regular participation makes a lot of sense. So, the TWNIC is willing to support more long-term fellows like these. And I imagine that they will introduce many of them in your episode or however you call ...

Yeah, but I think you’re already in very good hands. And TWNIC received plenty of not just budget funding for APrIGF, but also political support. We also see APrIGF as kind of a launch pad so that TWNIC can focus on getting more people, senior people and junior people alike ...

Yeah, and they have plenty of experience organizing TWIGF and all that. They’re all very seasoned Internet governance people. And so, I trust that if you’re already in contact, there’s not much that I can add maybe except as the panelists.

So, Kenny and JoFan, right?

So, how close are your connections with the TWNIC people who runs the APrIGF?

Anything else?

Okay. And so far, you’ve been mainly contacted with Rosaline? Yeah, so I think that just continues.

And I trust that you already have the list of visa-free countries with Taiwan as well as the e-visa countries, with interesting exceptions like Colombians need to have a valid Shenzhen visa first and things like that. But it’s all very spelled out on the BOCA website. So, for the ...

And if there’s any legal issues or diplomatic issues, we are on good terms with MOFA anyway. We’ll sort it out internally with the Foreign Service.

The pipeline, I assume that you will update monthly or something with new conference speakers and so on. And the end will be the competent authority will be the window to issue those e-code invitations.

Yeah, we need a list of people and their origin countries, countries of origin. We are already establishing this BOCA relationship internally. And we’ve actually done something like that before. And as soon as we know the general shape of how many people, their respective countries, the vast majority will ...

So, we have a quote tweet and we have a personal endorsement. What else would you like? Or is that sufficient?

So, “Taiwan’s 1st Digital Minister (2016-2024).” And in that regard, I’m happy to be quoted any time after May 20th, even on the day of May 20th. And so, that’s another kind of my personal endorsement as a, I don’t know, WhyID signatory and AccessNow supporter and everything, right? And ...

And as for endorsement testimonial and things like that, I mean, I’m happy to be quoted as the Taiwan’s 1st Digital Minister, spelled as “1st” so that is not misconstrued as the first minister, like prime minister.

Because, well, many of these people, I mean, we use public servants for all the director generals, so all of them are still around. And so, they will run it through the directors and director generals and they will run it by the next minister’s team. And once they have ...

And also, my Signal handle is now digitalminister.01. Right. So, but for the @modaTAIWAN Twitter account, that there will be continuity. So, what I think, if it makes sense for the DN folks, is that the DN can work with John to draft a tweet for X Taiwan moda to ...

Yeah, so I think the moda Twitter account makes more sense because it represents the ministry, not any particular minister. I’ve already renamed my threads and Instagram and Facebook from digitalminister to digitalminister.one, which is a real website, by the way. Thanks to the new GTLDs.

So, say you post on X that’s May 16th, and you would ideally, what was the ideal shape? Like moda retweets you and saying that we endorse, or that the minister provides you with a quote that you use in the PR communication? Like what are the performance…

Okay, I see. Good. So, for public communication, so say you announce through, I don’t know whether you still use Twitter now, but… Yes, X.com.

So, people are submitting proposals without knowing what they’re going…

And later in May will be like the call for proposals or…?

Okay. So, May 16th is your public announcement about the fact that it’s taking place in Taiwan.

May 16th. Okay.

I think from our side, it’s really on what moda is comfortable doing right now in terms of either private or public communication. Just roughly what we would do is if things are very like from our end, we would start publicly communicating anywhere as early as seven days from ...

I know for one, but I recently wanted to speak to any other part on this communication, what’s helpful for us. I just, you know, my team of us, the point of moda, had this discussion about the importance of the data. And I think it’s really important that we ...

So, for example, if some of your sessions pertains to the administration of digital industries or administration for cybersecurity and so on, you will route through DN and DN will find you the points of contact.

And I trust that they already gave you the contact window. So, I think the INGO window from the moda is going to be like your one of the most friendly windows. And on our side, the Department of Democracy Network is still around. So, the DN will be your ...

Yeah, they have an INGO office. I think that’s going to be the true cross-minister. While we can provide PR support and so on, it is the moda INGO office that coordinates with, for example, the municipality holding the venue, or the other INGOs doing similar things around the same ...

And as for public communication, I’m at all ears. Like what kind of… what type of communication are you looking for?

I don’t think we need to be… we need to be a joint organizer in order to be an inviter for your speakers. So, these two are orthogonal. I mean the joint sponsorship and so on, that’s for the next minister to finalize. But the inviter is, only pertains to ...

Okay, so we have four or five months or something like that in order to secure the visa process.

I mean, it’s quite apparent that in addition to the already visa-free countries, you’re going to invite people from non-visa-free countries. And so, I think as soon as you have a preliminary list, and even if some of them don’t manage to come at the end, it doesn’t hurt to ...

So, I trust that we’ve all seen the agenda before. I think the main topic is the E-Code visa. And we’re very happy to help.

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So does anyone want to raise any extra points to this meeting? If not, then I sincerely thank you for your commitment and your participation.

I’m sure there are privacy-preserving ways so that we can continue this evaluation relationship into like deeper collaboration without either from pure models, like giving the model was before the effort fully ready or not ready at all, and the societal expectation that there are meaningful audits to all of ...

So I think this is a really helpful and constructive point. That is to say, we want to ensure that through the accuracy and alignment assemblies, what accuracy actually means or what fairness actually means or what is reliability actually means and so on. All these change as the frontier ...

You can actually take those together, because it is well within Meta capability to take the TAIDE alignment training materials and align the larger LLaMA 3 models by yourself. So that we have a fully tuned LLaMA 3 for Taiwanese population that may be something we want to try before ...

Yes, of course there is a trade off. There’s a smaller open source model that can be alignment tuned to the local expectation using local data. There is a larger size, like Llama 3 400+ billion models that may not fit all the accuracy expectations locally.

…is applied to the local aligned model, not the foundation model. Yes, of course.

Alright, so I think that covers the discussion topic. Do anyone here would like to raise additional points? Okay, if not, I think this is great and we have now a general free discussion, time for at least three minutes. So anything, raise your hand, Max, please.

And for Meta, it is going to take more time, right before your chatbot reaches Taiwanese people. So it allows us to develop a more comprehensive testing plan based on API’s hopefully, with AIEC here and with Anita — I’m sorry about the mistranslation before — but we would love ...