Well this is so remote from the way we operate here it's uh it's impressive and i guess and correct me if i'm wrong i would like to know more about this story but, you were a minister so you were doing your stuff you know like building the platforms the digital part but i guess you were having conversations with other ministers and to explain, what you're telling us the fact that we need to trust people that we need to try new things and i suppose that must have been quite important also in the process no yes.