So I think the relational ideas in a Taoist thinking is looking at the conflicts, the contrasts, the differences, the yin and the yang, not as fire to be put out or to stay away from, not as volcanic explosions, but rather as energy, as like magma underneath. So if you do meditation well, if you do your breathing exercise well, then you become heat resistant enough so you can become a channel that these conflicts flow through you. And then almost like a geothermal engine turns that heat into the energy of co-creation from the yin and yang comes the 10,000 things, right? So that is the main metaphor. So instead of calling it social, which sounds like, I don't know, fitting into an existing script, I prefer to call it plural, as in plurality, as in collaboration across differences and as in upholding the space in which conflict is seen as energy instead of as bugs. Conflicts are features, not bugs.