I would spoil a little bit, but then you can talk over that. But you left school as a teenager you learned code almost before you could read uh you became a hacker you know obviously and then a minister and somehow you managed to stay even a poet through all that yes i want to to start talking about you yeah let's about you and your your ideas before going into your work and then we spent a lot of time talking about what you did and what you're doing now but my usual question is about your lenses you know how you look at things so when you look at the world today, what are these lenses like, what do you use to make sense of it.