As I mentioned, the Bowling Green process is ongoing, right? So if you just search for Bowling Green, Kentucky, sensemaking, or Polis, or Better Bowling Green, you can see exactly how it's done. It's all open source, not just the platform, but also the sensemaking tool. They're all free software, free for anyone to use. And so there are some US states with citizen assembly tradition already in an in-person kind like in Oregon. And so in that sense then it's not about convincing them to move online, but rather using digital tools to augment the conversation and to improve its reach. So like Democracy Next has been working with Oregon people on that.