Audrey Tang

Mm-hmm. Well, certainly. I mean, what they are doing here is not specifically supporting one position or another position. What they're doing is using what's called astroturfing, as you said, trolls. And now, increasingly, artificial intelligence-powered trolls, because they can then cross the language distances. So even though people in Beijing don't speak the target language, they can train the kind of malicious AI model that speaks that language. And if you look at the message, the content, they are not strictly speaking disinformation, because they are not false as such. They are just very strong opinions, very strongly felt, and very strongly shared. And what it tries to do is that it mutes the nuances, and it only caricatures each side. Like, "N95 kills you," or "Any kind of, you know, mask is not useful unless it's N95." So very polarized messages. And so what it's trying to do is just to amplify the polarization so that we cannot have a real conversation online.