It’s such a powerful thing to juxtapose that with where things are arguably going at the moment. When you start from a lack of trust in people, when you see the role of government as being to manage or deliver for people, you end up with this kind of centralized power that is crushing. I find it so inspiring to see and hear Audrey talking about this. Seeing people as citizens, as capable contributors, means that you use technology entirely differently. The starting point is how do we make the most of what people are capable of and assist them to do it, rather than how do we supersede.