I talk to many people in government, new people who have gone into government, and I feel like they are experiencing that feeling of being so overwhelmed by the responsibility and just by the pressures of the job that you can see them wanting to shut things out rather than open up and listen. And you can see that because she was so overwhelmed. Did you meet any blockers like that along the way, politicians who were just like, “We don’t need to”?

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