So I worked in Minnesota, in the United States, during the summer when the state government shut down. They decided to not fund the state government. And at the time I was working with the university of minnesota and going out to work with people who were from the ojibwe tribe, as well as local fishermen, bait shops, things like this. And what we found was that people hated the state government. No trust, no legitimacy, no credibility, because nobody could get fishing licenses that summer, right. It undermined their economic success. But for many people, the fishermen, the only institution that still had legitimacy was the University of minnesota. Right.