Vehbi Deger Turan

No, no. I think there’s a. Yeah. They were very much the first movers in the landscape. Jim Tishkin himself was charted out a lot of deliberative approaches. And I think there has been some negative side effect of that to prevent other approaches to pop up. By creating a certain territory. I mean, it happens. I don’t think this makes something bad. But that wall was actually quite apparent when I first came.

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