That’s really cool. Now I’m going to throw a tangent.

I really liked this place. I think this is really special, did a good job.

Wow.

She’s really good, if you could meet her. Good.

She’s been crazy helpful.

I think she’s from Boston, where she’s been back. She’s one of the Taiwanese that went over to Boston, that was there, that did all kind of amazing talented stuff.

Samantha. She’s part of the team.

Did you meet Sam?

Cool. That’s helpful.

We should be patient and email them every couple of months…

The Berkeley students seemed to really like it. Of course, the faculty we were working with, they really liked it. I have no idea when the US will reactivate this kind of thing. Everybody is so fatigued. There was these starts and stops and starts and stops. It was very ...

Berkley was also a struggle. We did a pilot with 3,000 students. It was really exciting. Then everything stopped because they couldn’t go back to school. Everything got super locked down. We have all of this COVID stuff pending. Not that we want another strand to come back, but we’re ...

Christmas Eve, I got documents from some other investors that I could sign. That got us the money so we can keep going. I’ll go back to NDF later, maybe the next round. I just wasn’t able to close it, so I wanted to let you know.

For the record…

First is, I want to give you an update. I wouldn’t expect talking about financial stuff, but I need to correct something. Last time I came, I told you that we got money from NDF. What we got was the verbal agreement to invest, but then the terms that was ...

I want to ask three things.

Which seems like it’s happening now.

That’s interesting. Is it well known and people want to emulate it, people are adopting it?

Thank you.

The big wall.

When did that wall come down?

For sure.

I like this.

Good. This is my first time here.

Really appreciate it.

Thanks again for everything.

This is Scott. It’s so funny.

He’s like, “Get out of bed. It’s going to be gone by 7:00 if you don’t go.” [laughs]

It was the most amazing. I am like…My friend, he says, “We’re going to go get beef soup for breakfast.” I’m like, “For breakfast? Seriously?” It was 6:00 AM.

It’s so good.

I had Niurou Tang for breakfast. It’s like heaven. It was unbelievable.

The best food.

Tainan is the best weather.

Good, we still have time.

When is this?

Are there other efforts like this that I should be aware of here in Taiwan, or is this the main you think that’s really…?

Is there an English version of this?

Can you share a little bit about the history of g0v? I read it through a Westerners lens, but I’m curious what is it doing now? How did it come about?

That’s what I’ve got to do.

Theory U it’s called?

Joe?

There’s three people that work for Peter Schwabe, one of our advisors, in Amsterdam. They’re postdocs. They happened to be stuck at Academic Sinica, and now they’re stuck for a year.

Really?

I’ll look at your transcripts, then find people, and then…

Are you aware of any other likeminded efforts or people in Taiwan that we can connect with, that we can try some of these ideas?

We have both been involved with RadicalxChange and looking for tools besides private property, capitalism, what comes next. This Daniel Schmachtenberger guy has all of these fascinating ideas around non-rivalrous stuff.

This guy, Daniel Schmachtenberger, I’ve never heard of him before. Casey found the podcast, “The Portal,” the podcast that I’m a big fan of. This guy is super, super interesting.

This is plan B questions.

I have another set of questions, but those are all the…

Joel? Sean. This is Casey.