For writing but we are doing some podcasts as well.

Yeah, like sound, you know. Oops.

You’re working even on the weekend?

[laughs]

Or close to the microphone, yeah. I can put it closer to you, like this. OK.

Let’s start with your role as a Digital Minister for Foreign Countries, or what is it exactly, what is your work?

Concretely, what are you supposed to do?

Concretely, can you give me one example of something you have done recently?

Who has this idea for this digital minister position? Is it your idea? How did you promote this idea? It’s very original. I don’t think anybody in the world…

In Europe, we have a lot of debate with how to talk, how to address the issue from the GAFA, or Google, Amazon, etc. The way you’re doing it is quite different. You’re not coercetive. You’re more engaging in a dialogue with them, or…?

How does it reinforce the democracy in Taiwan? Is it a way to make it stronger?

Does it work for every issue, like for instance, the relations with China?

Does the government listen to you? The people, they may choose something, and they may not be listened by the government. How do you follow up on those issue?

You have a very special career, a different profile from what we used to have in the past. How do you define yourself? How do you go to career into politics? Do you consider yourself as a politician?

You really think that the technology could improve the democracy of Taiwan?

Because in Taiwan, maybe it’s smaller, so do you try to improve the infrastructure as well for them, so what?

These 98 percent of people, they have access to Internet, even high-speed Internet?

We’ve seen that the social network on the Internet plays a very important role in Hong Kong during the protest. I imagine that is something interesting for you. What do you think about the situation…?

On the contrary, we see that in China they see the Internet and those social network as the enemy. What is your opinion about that? Do you think we are living in a war of technology between…I mean all the democracy, all the dictatorship has to be scared about the Internet?

What is your opinion about what they’re doing now with social notation?

Social credit. Who can control your system? Of course, when everybody is on the Internet giving their advice, giving their opinion and more transparent, how can we be sure that there is no…?

You are against superstructure that will check everything. You think that every citizen could…

How do you guarantee the security of the system? I imagine there is a lot of hackers that would like to [laughs] get access to this.

In that case, what is the role of the government now? It’s just like almost a self-government? How do you see the role of the politician in this structure?

Yeah. [laughs] Let’s take one example. In France now, we have a reform about the retirement. If we work the way you work here, I imagine 99.9 percent of the people say they want to keep the same system, they want to have a better retirement, etc.

There is no room for any change, any reform. Some reform are not very popular on the people. How do you balance between the two? [laughs]

You call it quantitative voting?

Quadratic.

You have decided? You’re the one to imagine this? Where do you get the idea from?

Does the more conservative part of the government follow you on that or the old people? Is there consensus on…? It’s very interesting, where this is, it’s very new and complicated. I imagine for the older people, it’s very hard to understand, no?

Nobody is forced to use it?

You have hard time to make these project works with the different ministers?

You think you will bring more young people into politics with these kind of things?

What is the place of the politics in all this? If everybody can decide on different topics, even international relation or environment, where is the ideology?

What are your next projects now? Are you limited by the next election, because you don’t know what will happen? I’m not really sure the KMT will follow you.

You have a very particular project that you’re working on?

OK, thank you very much for your time. It’s very interesting and innovative.

Can I take some pictures?

Yeah, these will be quick.

Yeah, we’ll do this one.

It’s just very close up, a portrait.

You just look straight at the camera.