You talked very often about reaching consensus quicker, faster. We live in a polarized world, within nations, there is a deep rift, ideological, racial, social. It seems like the forces of regimes are pointing out to those weaknesses to undermine the nations from within.

Very often you talk about we, and most leaders I interviewed are I, I, I, ego, ego, ego. You’re talking about the collective human effort, a collective union. That’s what I read in the poem. Can I ask you where this came from?

During COVID, we learned how our entire life functioned around technology. We don’t need to travel anymore. We can do everything through technology, and via technology. I don’t think the world still can assemble a true vision around what is a future technological digital world. In your view, what is ...

Audrey, you’re the first minister of technology. This is the first time in our lifetime. We used technology as a fundamental tool. It’s been used as a weapon for a long time, but now it’s a tool. In this, I would like to understand your vision for the future for ...

Then we have the Sunflower Movement, which is maybe the only movement in my lifetime that’s succeeded. Why do you think these other movement failed versus yours that succeeded?

The Wall Street, I want to show you three global movements that did not lead, but inspired the world. Occupy Wall Street 2010, Arab Spring 2011, where a million of people rose up demanding democracy, dignity, global change, and more representation. Then you have 2011, the anti-austerity movement in Europe.

Sorry. Oh, my God. I don’t know what’s happened here. Apologies.

Sorry.

There’s something that I…While I was preparing for this interview, I saw that you pointed out to multiple things. One of the things that I love, and you pointed out to is other movements around the world. Obviously, you are not only a Taiwanese leader. At this point, you are ...

You want mass participation as a very young age. Engagement, listening. You’re talking about active involvement, meaning holding these people in power accountable through transparency?

One of my friends was Jamal Khashoggi, who the regime killed him through technology. They bought Pegasus. They spied on his phone. They hunted him, captured. What you’re up against is powerful regimes. How can technology counter these regimes? How do you think we can together counter and win?

Amazing. Your generation is the first generation to live post that era of authoritarianism, where you have free speech. You have access technology, so you can see the possibilities. What is against you is, regimes that are using this technology for more surveillance, more oppression.

How did this journey and you embracing technology as a fundamental tool to make democracy even a more perfect system and more transparent system?

I am so inspired by your story. I will start directly to the core. My main question is we’ve seen, for years and years, regimes using technology to protect their authoritarianism. For the first time in my life, I see a leader, like yourself, who is using technology to protect ...