Yes, of course. I’ll do. I have three parts. First part, just short. Just about you, some bio information. Second part is the main part about digital collective or collaborative democracy in your concept, your vision of this collaborative democracy. Third part, also a bit smaller again about the international impact.

Audrey, just short information about you as a person. How old are you? What studies did you do? Just the simple key facts…

Yeah. I don’t know if it’s true. [laughs]

Was there an initial moment when you became a civic tech activist or that you started to think in a broader way to work for the development of Taiwan? Was there some activative moment?

When you worked with the government, was this a change of role? How did you proceed this process?

Thank you very much.

Last question in this bio part. Are you proud that you made this way, that you’re also a member of the Taiwanese government? How do you look at this?

As you are the first minister for digitalization, I guess worldwide, what about your contacts on international level with other governments or other government bodies? Are there such international debates on this level?

What about your links today to g0v, which you were a cofounder or a founder?

[laughs] I was told by Jason that you were a founding member.

What’s the name of this project?

Code for Japan, yes, thank you.

What topic is right in the moment is on top of your agenda? What are you developing? Which project?

Now, let’s have a look at the toolbox of collaborative governance, digital direct democracy. I mentioned, or Jason told me about these two platforms, vTaiwan and Join. Are there other important tools that play a key role in this digital collaborative debate?

I’d be glad if you could send me in an email these links of this projects.

I think proves that it’s not just a nice talk, but it’s effective.

I have a very close contact in Switzerland to the most skilled journalist fellow in civic tech journalism. She asked me to ask you about a special platform Polis. She wants to know, is it still in use?

Is there something like a magic formula that you could tell me or give to other countries, other governments, what principles they have to keep in mind to implement a successful and digital direct democracy, these kind of collaborative democracy. Is there this kind of magic formula? What would you advise?

Is there something like a highlight, a really good example that you can present to foreign governments or in you contact when you were telling about your vision? Is there something like your most favorite project that you like to present?

Thank you. Is there also something like a flop, something that didn’t work, a project that…?

It reminds me to the citizens of the people’s initiative in Switzerland. It’s only 10 percent of them are adopted, but they have a very important political and social impact. Not everyone, but even if they are rejected, so this, yeah.

You said broadband is…

…is a human right. Does this mean that the participation is high? Is really, is this the condition, the sine qua non that this, your vision, it’s not only a nice idea, but it’s implemented, it’s filled with life, with ideas.

Is this in overall users, or in one year or…?

This is very, very impressive to see this, the high dynamic in developing and implementing it so that it really works. It’s this link between government and citizens so that citizens can have a say, right from the beginning can set the agenda.

This is very impressive. I wonder now, who is, in a way the engine, who keeps this motor, the engine, running? Is this g0v? Is this you, as in a way, the link between movement and government? Where does this energy come from? Where does it start?

I just had to say my idea. Taiwanese Greta.

When you see these examples, as you mentioned, by these 16-year-old girls, what can you learn from these young, very active, and skillful young people with good ideas and a lot of energy to bring a change? What can you learn from these?

What about risks and dangers for a digitalized collaborative democracy? We have these examples connected to the election of Trump, to the Brexit vote in Europe. In Switzerland, an example is that government had to freeze in the almost 20 year try to introduce e-voting now this summer.

Do you see any risks for this digitalized collaborative democracy?

There’s an actual debate in Switzerland about the introduction of a EID. The plan is that [laughs] the government, who is now a bit cautious, because there were fails, like e-voting, and they are cautious. They want to build up public-private partnerships, private companies would issue or give these EIDs to the citizens. What about EIDs in Taiwan?

Is it handed out by the state?

At the end, is there something like a short message that you could hand out to Switzerland, to traditional democracy and other countries in the world? Why should they develop and also be courageous to go, to follow, in a way, your example of digital democracy in Taiwan? What does it bring to them? How could they benefit from your example, from your experience in this field?

I’m coming from Switzerland from this traditional but a very well-elaborated, direct democracy. Is there anything that you can learn from our Swiss example?

One of the last votes in Switzerland was about a people’s initiative about cow horns, that there was a farmer who launched this initiative because he loves his cows. A lot of cow breeds are born without horn. He wants his cows to have horns. He asks for some money for all those farmers who have…

Yes, exactly. There was a lot of smile and making other countries made fun of Swiss democracy. How did you see this debate? Is there something like limits of issues and topics that should not be discussed or should be done with democracy? Should it be open to every topic?

So?

We’re through. Thank you very much.

Can I take some pictures of your detailed…

Yes, this is really crucial because it shows the difference of the approach.

The process, these I’d like to…where you, with a norm.

This is crucial.

You had another drawing, with…

Exactly. I had this in mind.

The norm would be, as you made the example of the 16-year-old girl, to abolish plastic straws.

Yes, you have…

Conflicts, yes. Make this different between code…These are [laughs] new categories for me. Make the difference between code and law.

Yeah, it starts.

Cool. Before I forget it, I have some…

Gifts, yeah.