Bye-bye.

OK. Thanks.

Thank you. Your generosity of spirit, Tom, is very touching. Audrey, I am in awe of how you manage to take things that are so significant and with such big potential and be so light-hearted and fun about it. Wow.

Thank you so much. Thank you, Tom, for making this possible. It was very pleasurable.

Excellent. I will be very happy any time you have a specific question about if there’s this situation and from an NVC perspective, what can you do with it, very happy to just send me a quick email. I can send you a quick email back.

Not necessarily. One of the points of the questions that I ask is to raise people’s level of function even if momentarily. They overlap. They intersect. The other purpose that I have is to get people out of the obvious, the thinking that what is happening is obviously the only ...

I am appreciating the question very much. I think it depends on the application. Overall, I think that knowing what question to ask is one of the most important interventions that we can do as humans trying to create change.

That doesn’t surprise me because most people who will introduce it to you will not introduce it in a way that you will see relevance and applicability.

You’re using NVC?

No, it’s not on the website. It was never published.

What I can do is I can send you I have three or four condensed version of my dissertation. If Tom is right and some of it will interest you, you will then be able to tell me, "Chapter two and chapter seven, please." Then I will send that to ...

Another one is what is most important here? Another one is what’s the real purpose? You can come up with such questions that guide people’s attention. Attention is the most precious resource that we have of all, where we put our attention and what we do with our attention. That’s, ...

I literally see when I ask people that question, whether it’s a group or even an individual, I see their eyes look to a different place. Something changes in their body. They move from I to we in a way that is really amazing. They start looking for different solutions. ...

That’s a faster way to move. I’m looking for these key phrases or principles or questions. One of them is this simple question, what is a solution that’s going to work for everyone?

For example, I can give you example of two questions that instantly raise people’s level of function. It doesn’t necessarily stay there when you go away. You can let’s say work with a group, raise their level of function, get them to connect with each other, build trust, make a ...

From my perspective, considering the stressors that the world is in and the number of people that are born faster than we can even catch up with them to feed them let alone train them, that’s a losing project. I’m looking for interventions that are much faster.

There’s a practice that I do that relates to what you were talking about in terms of the luxury, and we don’t have time. A while back, I was part of the project that most NVC people are still in that project of let’s train and ask people in NVC, ...

You’re flattening it to a doing. For me, it’s a way of being.

For me, it is the entire patriarchal Western civilization rests on the assumption that disembodied rationality is what makes humans humans and a negation of nature, of emotion, of relationship, of embeddedness, all of that. I was aiming to offer a model that would integrate rationality and emotions into a ...

There’s nothing wrong with what you said. I’m not screaming. I will add to it, that for me it is deeper than sociology.

Great, thank you.

I think part of it, to be completely honest, I am not seeing the link. I don’t know what to speak to. It’s more like I would be doing it because you’re asking me to.

I don’t need to leave right now, but I have many other things on my plate. I also want to go to sleep at some point. I would like to move towards closure of my presence here. I don’t know if there’s anything that anybody wants for me or from ...

I want to say that for...You signed up for six hours. I didn’t.

Exactly.

Good.

Thank you.

I was working on IBM mainframes, so I’m completely useless and not interested in programming anymore, but that kind of sensibility stays with me.

I don’t know when you were born, but I was programming until 1989.

I used to be a computer programmer, probably before you were born.

The second one, I think the way that Loomio people will integrate it is that there will be a possibility to have a dropdown menu of threshold questions. The person who asks can choose which one. Each installation, they can create their own threshold menu. That’s what I’m hoping they ...

That’s it. Those are the two core innovations. There is a sequence, there’s a process, all of that. You don’t really need to know more about it in the moment, but these are the two specific things.

There are different levels, and choosing the right threshold to ask changes things. As you invite more concerns, ultimately, theoretically, you can have a more powerful decision, because it has incorporated more dissent, more concerns. You are wiping people out, because the process of engaging with dissent is very taxing. ...

"Does anybody have concerns?" will raise more discussion than if you say, "Does anybody have significant concerns?" or if you ask, "Does anybody have concerns that you believe will actually impair our capacity to function if we adopt it?"

You’re not trying to make everybody happy. There’s an art and a skill to finding the question. What is the threshold at which you are inviting dissent? What it has in common, in an odd way, with pol.is is that it invites dissent. It doesn’t create pressure to agree. It ...

All the way on the other end of it is, "Is there even one letter in this proposed decision that anybody has even the slightest discomfort anywhere in you?" Of course, if you ask it at that level, you will never reach a decision. There’s always going to be something ...

On one end, I can ask, "Is anybody going to kill themselves if we adopt this decision?" Of course, that has so little room for discussion. I think, "No, I’m not going to kill myself. I’m going to be super unhappy. I’m going to hate them. I’m going to be ...

In a certain point, as the facilitator, to ask the question, our version of the question is, "Is everyone OK with it?" It turns out that how you ask the question has different results. I will illustrate it dramatically. I would never use either one of these, but it’s a ...

I don’t have it integrated enough to be able to do the mapping. It was interesting to read. There is a similarity in terms of attending to all concerns, integrating them, and evolving the solution or evolving the principles, depending whatever you need to do.

Yes.

That’s the one component. The other one is the aim of this process is a solution that is acceptable to all, that really works for everyone. That’s not the same as consensus. It has, I would say, a 90-percent overlap with consensus, but not 100.

Yes. The most interesting cases are cases where you actually need two different principles that are in dynamic tension with each other in order to achieve non-controversy. Either one of these will leave someone unsettled, but if you add the other one, because they’re in dynamic tension, they’re going to ...

Yes.

In other cases, people are saying, "We should do this!" and "We should do this!" and "We should do this!" and "We should do this!" Then I come back and say, "This is what I believe is important in what you are saying. I added only when I feel in ...

Just about any application, they can surface in a different way. In this particular case, the facilitator team came up with a draft based on things that we heard from people. We presented it to them. We presented, I think, eight. There were tweaks, and then there were additions that ...

Audrey, you will need to talk to Tom about it. I don’t actually know what they’re going to do, technologically. They were very excited and they wanted...

Yeah.

I will do that. Here. Everybody agreed with all of these. There’s a couple more below. They are significant. They’re not, "We believe in love." They’re very significant and specific, but they are just below actual policy. You see?

...just so you get a sense of what these principles look like. This would require you to get out of screen share.

Let me just show you this...