I’m still wondering in the sense...

Yeah. I mean Audrey has time. That’s like both of you.

Thank you for everything. Bye-bye.

[laughs] Thank you, Audrey.

See you later.

I’m finished.

OK, wow. Great, that’s good to know.

That would be great. I can also write Shu Yang to let me know if she’s traveling. I think that would be ideal.

Because they are working on different issues in regard to bringing participation into the government, including technology and all these different things -- they’re like a well-funded think tank or institution, with a lot of academics, mainly academics -- they would be very interesting.

She’s very interested in using the work of vTaiwan. If you have ever a schedule of coming to Europe, sharing the process, I’ll share the process. I’ll tell her that you’re in New York and share that one document. I’m sure she would want to invite you or one of ...

I was glad to hear your response around the workshops. I think that is very interesting, and I think there’s quite a lot of interest. I have this political science professor who works for institution of the German government. It’s called Institute for Advanced Sustainability Studies.

Thank you so much, Audrey. Those were my four points. Great.

Yeah. I just noticed how fast you are while I’m doing it myself. OK. That would be the link to the document, which is about the work and the fundraising stuff.

And I have a document that we just completed a month ago. I’ll just share you the link, so you know this is the work. This is...I have a document, right? Yeah, there it is. You’re providing a link. You’re much faster, Audrey. [laughs]

I’m just wondering if you have any ideas or any thoughts about that, or contacts to Silicon Valley around that. We would appreciate some kind of links.

Let’s say, if we had a larger budget, we could come to Taiwan, or go easily to New York City and watch the Google workshop and be at the workshop, or do extra film in Taiwan, and so forth.

I’m just wondering, Audrey, if you have any contacts, especially in the US and Silicon Valley, that might be interested or might have a budget for organizations like CII, that might be interested in supporting organizations that are doing work like Tom is doing or we are doing.

Cool. Cool. I have that. OK. Wow. Because I think Andy and I would both be excited doing work like this. The fourth issue which I wanted to ask you, we’re basically...CII has been funding, this being funded basically by...I think, Tom, once or twice a year you do some ...

OK. Here it is. There’s the working title. I got it. OK. Great. Thank you.

OK. We’ll see it, if we’ve got time. OK. Is this the Joint Library of Humanities. No. That’s the other one, right?

Oh. They’re in London. OK. Thank you.

OK. And Nesta is based in?

OK.

Just as a scenario, let’s say there’s someone in London or in England and says, "Oh, there’s this vTaiwan. Is there anybody in Europe who can do this workshop?" do you think there could be a scenario like Andy could do that workshop in London for you?

Then we could do these workshops, if the demand is high.

Interesting. I’m wondering. One possibility would be to take part at one of these workshops in May and see how you do it. Then see, "Oh, we would like to do this," introduce the material I need, and if we think there’s some material missing, we would ask you for ...

This would be a starting point now in May and November to give it to start and to start improving the material, and then offer these workshops.

Basically, you are training people from your team to do these workshops, prepare them so they can do these workshops around the world, wherever is needed.

He can even create articles or a short book about it, whatever. I’m wondering in that direction, what we, v.Taiwan and your team maybe have had some thoughts around that? That’s my question.

I’m wondering if this is something of any interest, because basically Andy and I would be very enthusiastic if there would be funds to create workshops and even come to Taiwan maybe a few months and create pictures and do translations, whatever is needed. Then, do present it off of ...

As you said in one of the calls, you can’t transplant it or order it, but you can figure out what will work in our culture and how. Even raise the question, is this something that would work in our culture? Do we have to change the way the soil, ...

I’m not sure if it’s more accessible. I’m thinking of, is this any need or is the demand rising for presentations like that, that people would like to know how this works, how the software works and how it could be implemented in their culture? It’s always this transfer of ...

I was wondering, is this any interest? People like us from the outside creating workshops, slideshows and so forth, sharing the process, for example, in Europe or in America and maybe in a way that...

As far as my understanding is, you have online calls just like this one with other people from other governments and so forth introducing them to the whole situation, right?

I said, "Hmm. Um, wouldn’t Audrey be interested or v.Taiwan or the team interested in people creating, like, presentations or workshops about the whole process with photos, images, slideshows?"

There’s two parts in it. One is supporting Tom’s work. One is creating a kind of media channel with sharing best practices and so forth or creating webinars. There’s one idea. While watching and hearing about v.Taiwan, I was very enthusiastic and excited.

We came up with one idea as part of this fundraising proposal is besides supporting Tom and CII and the work, this is a fundraising proposal we would like to send to companies, individuals, or foundations.

Then the third topic I wanted to ask about, Margaret, who you just met, and a colleague of Tom and I, Andy, we were thinking about working on a proposal for fundraising for CII.

Now it’s sharing. That’s it.

Is it still...?

Here it is. Sorry about that. There you go. That’s it, Audrey. I’ll send the...So that. I stopped sharing the screen, right?

Here. Shut down.

I’ll send you the link to it so you can automatically download it whenever if you want to have a look at it more in detail. It’s on a Dropbox link. Here it is.

If it’s a show, if it’s something that is very complex, you can have two or even three shows on the same topic. That would be something that is the basically TV participation element. I wanted to share. Maybe it’s interesting.

Then, you have a second round where you have all the new solutions come in. Then, you have one more resistance measure. Then, you have the top 3 or 4 proposals or 10 or 5 or 6 proposals depending on the issue. That’s it. Then, you close the show.

Then, you ask them for solutions. What would lower your resistance? The people can either improve the solutions or offer new solutions. This could be from people in the studio audience or people from home. This is the basic idea. There’s one software, I think it’s called Mentimeter, that you ...

Those things that are maybe, let’s say, from 0 to 10 have an average of 4 to 5 resistance, you ask, "Hey, why is your resistance like 5 to 6?" Then people would say, "I think it would be important to include, um, some agencies here or, or somebody else ...

Let’s say you have these kinds of recommendations. Then the people at home, they rate their level of resistance. You also have the people in the audience that share their resistance. Then, those things that are very high in resistance you automatically throw out.

There are usually different kinds of solutions. One is more a principle. We believe we can do it. That’s like a principle. You have a concrete solution for, "We need more information, uh, uh, uh, a website from the government that gives us more data information about the whole refugee ...

Then, you would also show clips of positive deviants that are already happening. That would be the presentation of what these randomly-selected people as a council would recommend. Then what you then have is the people at home have the possibility to rate their resistance to either...