Anything else?

This has been really, really interesting. Thank you for sharing your time. I know you’re very busy. We’ll continue to think about ways we can collaborate, mutually.

Yeah, we’ll share, share comic books.

We’ve also used comic books in a lot of education around SELinux, containers and things like that because people will read them. It’s much more enjoyable.

This is the actual story. This is fascinating. This is almost a transcript in a fun way. That’s great. We’ll have to send you our cartoon for containers. Did you bring one of those?

Cast of characters.

Case study of the very taxing tax filing system.

Open Innovation Labs is a hands-on, how do we move you forward faster approach. A lot of companies want part of their organization to go through that to just kick-start it almost because, as you know, change is hard. I’m just wondering if there’s anything else we should be looking ...

Interesting. Is there anything else that we could do to help collaborate or drive your mission forward as we’re meeting with all these companies? I think going to you, one of our -- I don’t know if I’d call it a mission -- but a side benefit is that we’re ...

It’s still powered by technology...

The Digital Experience as opposed to the technology.

I have taken this feedback. Got it.

Yeah, it’s not that red hat. Maybe we need to send them a fedora, so they understand it’s a completely different style of red hat as well.

I’m sure. Right. I will definitely take that as an action item to follow up on that. It’d be interesting.

That’s funny. When did you write that?

I will pass that on. Thank you. I will take that feedback.

I’ll let them know.

I don’t know. I’ll follow up with that. I’ll talk to the gentleman who’s running that program. We’re really starting to scale that now. It’s funny you say that because someone sent me a translation of something this morning and it was simplified characters. I said, I can’t really use ...

I’ll go check with Hugh Brock on that and see if we have anything.

That’s interesting. We do a lot with universities around open source and innovation. I don’t know if we’ve done anything in Taiwan, specifically, but we should actually look at it because they have some of the best universities in the world.

That’s interesting.

That’s more the traditional industry here also, so it went back to its roots.

That’s when I was here. I think it was a period. Everything was fresh, post-martial law.

It became more experimental then.

You were encouraged to experiment more, so it’s funny that you’re saying that that’s not translated. I’m wondering if there was a period where it went away?

That’s interesting because I lived in Taiwan in the 1990s. I, actually, was telling these guys earlier that the thing I loved about it was that failure wasn’t seen in the same way as I think it even was in Western culture or American culture.

It’s a very different business model.

Someone asked me why I don’t have an iPhone and I said as soon as they open source everything, then I will consider doing that. [laughs]

I would like to see them open source more things.

I think they see the open source future though. Everyone knows that the biggest disruption in innovation is being driven by open source, honestly. I think everyone will get there, just different speeds.

That’s funny. I had actually caught that irony of the language that they used. That’s a good catch.

That is ironic actually.

That’s right.

That’s really interesting.

Interesting.

Yeah. I don’t remember what it was exactly.

Actually, that’s not true. There’s some open government initiatives in Australia.

I could see that. I’m surprised San Francisco doesn’t have that or some of that. That’s interesting.

I don’t think we’re even doing that in the United States. I think it would be fascinating.

Interesting.

Right.

Corruption case.

I was thinking beyond you, who really is looking at it?

Who in government is looking at that confidence index? Is that something that you’re reporting to the higher levels of government?

That’s on gov.tw that there’s kind of a membership thing?

Wow.

Interesting.

I would think so since they have so much IT there.

That would be very interesting.

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