You too. Bye.

No problem. Just so that I can work on my interview. Thank you so much.

The values, absolutely. The politicians, not so much. Okay, that was it. My time is up. I’m really grateful that you took the time to talk with me. I’m using a transcription model, but I bet that your transcript will be more accurate.

Taiwanese politicians are—it sounds simplistic—but they’re obviously more open. I cannot imagine European politicians being very open to being radically transparent about what they do.

You were exceptional, so this helped. My last question is, I read that you were in Silicon Valley and that you left and returned to Taiwan. Would you tell me about this phase of your life? When and why you went, and when and why you left?

How difficult was it growing up as a gifted child? Did you have a feeling of what you planned to do very early on in your life?

Okay, so you lived in Berlin for a year?

I saw the documentary about “The Good Enough Ancestor.” This was really interesting. I saw that you grew up in a house where there was lots of political debate and many Tiananmen dissidents, political refugees from China, right?

Is it okay now that you experience strong emotions? Are you safe?

Growing up, you were a gifted child. You were obviously aware of how different you were in that respect. You were four when you started reading literature, I think?

Sí.

In recent years, you have watched how culture wars have broken out in Europe and the United States even more. What do you think? Are you surprised at this as someone coming from Taiwan? Did people talk to you about it?

Okay. Now let me come to the personal questions. You were the first nonbinary minister in the world, right?

Okay. So audiences in universities and people in the academic community are very receptive?

I have very few minutes now, so I want to ask you a few questions. Before the personal questions: have you found a big community in Europe and in the United States? Are local politicians or activists interested in your vision?

Okay. That’s good. OpenAI. somehow, does not advertise this.

Could I also do it? I’m not proficient with coding.

That’s wonderful. Do you use ChatGPT or Grok in your everyday life?

Right.

Now that you mentioned verification, I’m wondering—very soon OpenAI will make erotica available to adults. They might mean hardcore pornography, for all I know. They will ask for age verification, but what would stop a 14-year-old from saying, “Yes, I am over 18”? What kind of age verification do you ...

Yes. So what can we do? How will we be able to tell between truth and fiction, truth and false?

I was reading that very soon, I think by the end of the year, most content on the Internet will be created by artificial intelligence.

How did you get Facebook to do this? Taiwan is probably the only country where Facebook actually does not have the scams anymore.

There are other things that you have done which are quite impressive. I was reading about the digital signature and how you were able to fight the scam epidemic on Facebook. Would you elaborate on how it happened and how you succeeded in implementing it and convincing them?

Is this the same level of transparency in all government work? Does it happen in every ministry, for instance?

And how is it possible that everyone has access to this process?

So vote counting is something that any Taiwanese citizen has access to?

Does this have to do with the kind of education that children, and also older people, receive?

Has this made a change regarding the Chinese disinformation campaign? I know that Taiwan is targeted probably more than any other country by these campaigns from China. Is that correct?

This media literacy and fact-checking education that you have in schools, did it start at the time that you were digital minister? Was it part of your work?

I want to ask again because I didn’t understand correctly. You said that young kids in Taiwan are not on TikTok as much as their peers in the rest of the world. They prefer other platforms. Threads and what else?

I’m very interested in the success of Taiwanese society. How do you do that at school? Don’t kids go on Instagram and TikTok?

Okay. And this work during the Sunflower Movement and later, it actually drove polarization down and trust went up, right?

Yes, absolutely. But I’m playing devil’s advocate a little here. Won’t the same people that go on the platform to talk and debate about local issues also go on Facebook and go at each other’s throats at the same time?

Okay.

Yes.

Okay, so it’s a social media platform where citizens can upload their opinion, their thoughts, or a question?

Let’s see that I understand. Polis was a social media platform?

Would you explain to me how you did that with social media? Facebook is an antisocial media. It promotes polarization. X, even more than that. So how did you utilize those social media? Or are you talking about different platforms altogether?

How did you promote radical transparency as a minister?

The analogy is very helpful. Let’s go back in time. You helped shape g0v (gov-zero) in Taiwan, and then you created the vTaiwan platform that used Polis. At the time, were you already aware of polarization? I have read that your tools helped a lot. Were there voices on the ...

This is very interesting and exciting. If I understand correctly, you don’t believe that large language models are the best way to make good use of artificial intelligence, right?

How can we use it? For instance, how can a family use ROOST? Can a school? Can a country? How does it work?

How can I use ROOST if I’m an Internet user? I understand that ROOST has especially to do with preventing sexual violence against children online?

You mentioned the diplomatic community. Would you tell me a bit about this community of which you are a member?

That sounds interesting, but for someone who is not proficient in anything that has to do with digital democracy, I would ask you to elaborate. For instance, let’s start with the question: why is a cyber ambassador, why is your vision and your mission necessary at this certain moment in ...

Great. Just so you know, I will not publish the whole transcript. I will edit it. I have a word limit, so I have to pick and choose. Okay. So let’s start with your vision as a cyber ambassador.

Great. I’m grateful for that, and for the ability to edit it, because my English is not perfect, or I might make a joke that I will regret.

It’s okay. Are you going to publish the full transcript?

I’m really happy to meet you. I will not waste any time and start by asking: what is your vision as a cyber ambassador?