So I mean you have the best and the worse with the metaverse and the entire localism to how we articulate that. I don’t know as well. We have many opposites, but it can be manipulated if it’s not that distributed. It’s again the power of several people.

But at the same time, the cultural distribution of virtual toxic with the Web2 that we have now create violent behaviors. You’re coming out of Twitter fight. I was a victim of the system as well, even if I use it involuntarily.

I don’t know. It might have some very good aspects or [indecipherable 46:55] or stay down to earth to also have a very localist way of life at the same time. I don’t want to make some [indecipherable 47:05] , but there is a worse thing. It’s localism, and the ...

When a totalitarian model wants to get rid of a distributed world in the end. That’s exactly like when the heart doesn’t have haptics. The reality has haptics, so the reality can kill someone, can surprise someone. You can remove him, remove her. And the biggest threat — I mean ...

That’s the point for me if that’s all right.They gave me some very good influence for what I could see for my future political life from here. We were very sorry. That’s why I wanted to bring all of us here.

Prior to Ian. Speaking of this conversation to Audrey, that I didn’t bring my friends to make advertisement for Ledger. They’re fillers of these very important…We share views on the next step for the world and what we’ve discussed with us too.

Then you need a super organization in that sense that the society and the cities where we live, then will be very authoritarian, and we will lose freedom. I think the tricky thing is that, how can we manage to live a part of the world in a very organized ...

He said that to save biodiversity somewhere, we should live in one part of the world and let the rest of the world quiet without human activity. Some people said, “Yeah, we could do this.”

In Korea, you have CCTVs checking people in their own cars everywhere in the street. In Japan is the same way. And somehow, one famous anthropologist recently coined the concept of the use of eusociality to compare the society of insects like ants and bees to humans. We self organize ...

When I look also at the [indecipherable 35:53] and very recent permanent CCTV everywhere. I think it’s not only in China, it’s like this absent consent is also everywhere.

I don’t want to be insulting at all, but with the Belt and Road Initiative, I’ve been traveling in a lot of warrior in the world and I’ve always find Chinese people. It’s very interesting in a way they kick out all of farming system for cryptos and they get ...

When I see the Chinese, I mean some of the create a rival network, instead of being made of blockchain and decentralized elements across the world, they do that but with humans with hands. They use their citizens as hands and [indecipherable 35:21] .

Is there any room we can speak to a politic because it is very interesting that Taiwan, as what I hear from you, is going to grow the model that is radically different from your neighbors. I don’t speak only about China, actually, because when I look at, I know ...

Finally, I don’t believe in the ultimate target of transhumans because at the moment, it always failed. What you can do is that you can have some machine that reproduce a human behavior without getting the insights of the phenomenology of the human, the robot. Somehow, it create confusion and ...

When people think about autonomous vehicle and we are in competence with some people call the explanatory gap when you create something looking like a human brain bottom up, and it would just be conscious out of nowhere, there’s a dream of the singularity people. I really have doubt that ...

The place you seem to keep for science and technology within the society is very interesting the way you express it, that seem more people truly express it like this. It could avoid people would see technology as danger if we all agree on the comfort, the technology is here ...

It’s like a [indecipherable 27:34], they’re doing maintenance of the awful global knowledge. Progress is, of course, about technology and science, but this progress and technology is here to help us to fulfill all different weaknesses but not to replace a well being that ingenuity for a very long evolution.

He has the same idea where you cannot transmit the only architecture you infringe savoir faire. He returned me the way to return his knowledge and no hope. Humans are maintenance where they transmit to their children, no hope and some knowledge. Every generation is a new layer. Is that ...

Also you explain that about referring objects and that you can detach from IoT objects and it’s very linked. I mean, coming from a psychology and biology neuroscience is this kind of idea, but there’s a French philosopher called [indecipherable 27:09] .

I summarize a bit but you cannot explain that AI or technologies will be more supportive of humanity and more likely not TVs or proceeding some other things, too, that they have to keep them together best of themselves.

If you look at sci fi, and some people wish secretly to replace humans by machines like this, you don’t have to take care of the environment, because very wrong environment can be populated by robots instead of humans.

What I heard about the role of technology Europe, putting in the society is very interesting. I think it’s very silly against what is the sentiment from fundamental view of what technology could be like.

Of course when it’s a smaller country, sometimes it’s easier to conduct experiments. How come you ensure that because you have an eye on the different organizations, all ministries or…I need to understand more…

You’ve shown me their convergence of interests between different agencies, to add one topic, we are more classically used to it that the people fight within their same political party or they fight between two different administration, two different ministries for their own interest especially for budget.

There are also classical politicians, you have an administration, you have a different layer that usually make a country paralyzed when it needs to reform, to create, to find new…

Audrey! Somehow it looks all amazing and fascinating but how come you manage to impose as mostly as societies to radically differ from you as the government is wonderful.

We do have a little bit in Switzerland, but they’re very centralized and top down model to be probably updated. I guess, we have something that we know all of us, but that the rest of the people should start to understand. It should be vulgarized. They should get further. ...

The next step would be this upcoming Web 3.0, where we would have some power state companies that could impose to the states to…The citizens could use that to impose to their executive to govern differently, to make consultation, referendum and so on.

This is something else we discussed with Pascal the new way of governance that could be coming from Davos, that could be coming from the blockchain itself. Even if Pioneer work with blockchain was to make money to create currencies, I think it’s not the end of the world.

Even though they didn’t express sometimes rationally what they need, it seems that we are in a very big turn where we need to move on from the previous models that were used in the old democracies towards something else.

My concern and where I need your insights of all, is about the…We had some protest movements like yellow vests, so called yellow vests in the streets.

I drifted very far away from that to politics. It is now five years, almost five years, I’m elected as an MP. I represent the French expats that are living in Switzerland. We have a lot of French expats in this area. Actually my concern is not about my expats, ...

My background is a medical doctor. I’m a radiologist. I’m specialized in brain MRI. I also did cognitive science. I was working during my PhD about consciousness. Consciousness work reading and how the brain integrates the different perceptions to create the body image, the body representation.

Hello. I’m Joachim. I’m honored, minister, that you give us your time. It was a dream for Pascal and me to meet you, to have this moment together. We are honored, blessed. I’m Joachim Son Forget. I was adopted from Korea when I was a baby. I have several citizenships. ...

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