Bye.

[laughs] It’s getting that way.

[laughs]

Thank you for being…

Thank you.

I would love that.

Exactly.

Very cool. Thanks so much for sharing that.

Wow, from last year.

You thought she was my mom, the Barlow.

Beautiful definition.

Oh, that’s a good suggestion.

They said. Are you guys clearly lost and we are like, yeah, we hop in and is this really sweet couple drove us all the way back to the city. I was just really blown away by the kindness of the people there. [laughs]

We were kind of wandering around on some tea farms. Got completely lost and all of a sudden, this white Tesla SUV drove up, pulled up and the door is kind of opened really sci fi…

Yeah, we really hope to get to visit again. I was blown away by the natural beauty and how much of that you can find in Taipei itself and so close surrounding the city, how much natural beauty there is and also the kindness of the people Mat, and I ...

To use tech terms, was it the array?

I’m wondering if you have any thoughts on the recent surge in cryptocurrency into the public conversation, and how that’s changed the public view on the ideas around cryptographic encoding in a way?

I have one…This is a random question. If it’s not interesting, we can always leave it out. Along these lines, I’ve heard you speak about the importance of people being able to communicate privately in specific ways using cryptographic methods and whatnot.

You don’t have journalistic protections everywhere, so…

To dig in a little bit, if they’re in contrast, can we think of any application? The cartel application is an interesting one. Can you think of in your own scenario, any application where anonymity would actually be beneficial?

The shade.

Of a weird question. [laughs]

[laughs]

How often ministers are people who are in charge of mitigating the cartel issue become targets and are assassinated, obviously.

You’re right. Thank you. [laughs]

[laughs]

Thank you.

That would be great.

How can we find more about this NFT tree project?

Is this something that Taiwan is considering?

That’s fantastic.

We’ve also had conversations with the indigenous protocol and artificial intelligence working group about the need to respect the nonhuman. Along those lines, I was wondering, what are your ideas for how to bring the nonhuman entities into the democratic process?

It reminded me of this project here in Berlin called terra0 where they’re attempting to use decentralized sensor systems to allow a forest to track its own health and negotiate various things. People want to maybe chop down a tree or whatnot, it can negotiate on its own behalf.

One project that it reminded me of is there seems to be this consistent thread in your thinking where there’s a sensitivity not only to humans of the now, humans of the future but also nonhumans.

One thing that you touched on a little bit earlier was this hot topic of NFTs. We’ve spoken about it at length on this podcast. It’s been such a hot topic in the news lately.

That’s right. I’ve heard about them.

[laughs]

[laughs] Let’s just say early.

What you said reminds me of the conversation we had last week with our friend, David Rudnick. He recited a few stanzas from Shelley’s “Mont Blanc.” It was uncanny because I believe that was written in the late 1800s. It felt like it was written about our online experience.

Keeping that in mind and thinking about this kind of conversation being with people of the future, I think is a nice way to remind oneself that one’s behavior has those kind of impacts.

I love this idea of it not being a short term thinking that you’re having to…Because whether we want to acknowledge it or not, the conversations and the decisions that we’re making today do have a radical impact on the future.

Such a beautiful way of thinking. I was wondering how the conversations shift? How does the tone of the conversation change when people are addressing not only the present in the people in the room, but also the remote people listening, and also the people of the future?

With these office hours that you hold that are openly broadcast and archive, I’ve heard you say that this documentation allows current conversations to also include the people of the future, which is such an incredible way of framing a conversation.

I wanted to touch back on your office hours just for a minute. Mat and I have been working pretty extensively with machine learning for a while. We often note that as soon as something’s recorded, it can become part of a machine legible training canon.

OK, that makes sense.

OK.

How would you prevent collusion and that kind of scenario?

Indeed.

[laughs]

The lead up to the vote, there was so much energy and participation in the public square. We were walking through different places. We would end up in a celebratory where there would be thousands of middle aged people, like excited, super strong.