That’s a good point. Thank you very much again for your time. I’m very happy that we could meet.

I think it’s a very good idea to plan ahead for the next pandemic. I’m afraid that our country’s only reacted, that is, the European countries.

Thank you very much again for your time. Is there anything you would like to add? Anything that I have forgotten when it comes to human rights and pandemic management? Anything that you think is…?

OK. I think I have covered all my questions.

There was no political group in Taiwan that pushed for the same measures that mainland China has imposed as a model for Taiwan?

Yeah, it’s a very different way, but did it play a role, the measures that Mainland China has imposed, were they part of the debate in Taiwan, in comparison to Mainland China? Of course, Taiwan has a much different society, so you don’t follow…

You didn’t do lockdowns.

If I may, I’ll come to my last question, a question about Mainland China and their COVID strategy, Taiwan and Mainland China both had, more or less, a zero COVID strategy. I think in Taiwan it was not officially the policy but, at least for some time, you followed it.

The same with vaccines? You expect maybe more cooperation in this area as well?

That’s a good point though. I’m personally from Germany, so from the European Union. Maybe when it comes to international cooperation, for Taiwan, it’s difficult sometimes to get access to vaccines, get access to the WHO, unfortunately. What are the the expectations of Taiwan to the international community, to European ...

Has there also been exchanges with other countries, with international scholars specialized in human rights protection? Did Taiwan tried to look at other countries and how they have managed the protection of human rights during the pandemic?

When it comes to the protection of human rights, you have mentioned human rights organizations but also that the background of the DPP has a close connection to civil society.

There were some complaints, but the problems have not been resolved?

Some Taiwanese still complained about the conditions in the current government-run hotels.

It seems a bit the same with the quarantine regulations. Most countries or almost all countries have abandoned the requirement for quarantine. Taiwan still has a very short quarantine. I note it’s three plus four at the moment. That’s also, of course, an interference of human rights.

Some of the workers complained about it…

…two months or such a period of time.

That’s also a good point. Then also, that was in 2020 only for a short term. Then it was imposed on medical workers that they could not leave Taiwan…

It’s interesting. I also heard that one concern or one group that was affected were fishermen or foreign fishermen working on fishing vessels. This was also a problem that they didn’t have proper access to protective equipment, for example, on fishing vessels.

They were also used by the illegal migrant workers, these centers…?

What about the protection of one of the groups, for example, foreign workers during the pandemic? What measures did the government take about this problem?

That’s also important. For the human rights topic, you mentioned that one strategy was to avoid lockdowns at all costs because of causable to interfere with human rights. We also covered data protection.

Would you say that the cooperation between the CECC, the government, and the legislative Yuan was mostly non-conflictual? It was more like working and cooperating together?

That’s an important point. If I understood correctly from the structure of the CECC, it is only the Legislative Yuan that controls the CECC and could interfere in measures of the CECC, is that right? The CECC is mostly independent, right, in the decisions that it’s taking against the pandemic?

That’s a good point. When it comes to debate in the legislative Yuan — I will also need to speak with opposition parties, but I haven’t met with them yet — do you think that the opposition parties also warrant this criticism like KMT or TPP, or are they more ...

That’s interesting. For the measures that the CECC is imposing, is there any kind of review mechanism, for example, how to protect human rights or how human rights might be violated by these measures?

This was the only incident that happened for the police?

Were there any other measures for data protection besides this?

I also heard that for the apps that have been used that the data needs to be deleted after a certain time, right?

I had this impression that the topic of human rights was mostly raised by civil society actors, by human rights organizations in Taiwan. This were the most important actors advising…

Did human rights play a role in public debates?

It’s a good point. When it comes to the protection of human rights, of individual rights, did it play a role during the COVID 19 pandemic management in your opinion?

Did the contact tracing or the digital infrastructure play an important role as well in your opinion?

Other important factors in your opinion.

Maybe first of all, first question if I may, what do you think, in your opinion, were the main success factors for Taiwan’s pandemic management? Why was Taiwan successful in managing the pandemic for a long time?

Thank you very much for your time. I’m glad that I can meet you. I think it was mentioned in the email that I’m doing some research about Taiwan’s COVID 19 pandemic management and the protection of human rights during the pandemic management.