Yes, with Google Translate and a lot of time, I can get through it, yeah.

Just broaden it out beyond Taiwan. A lot of countries, a lot of smart people all over the place are also looking to Taiwan right now because they’re trying to figure this stuff out for themselves.

Like you said, how do we take these things that have a lot of potential to help but we’ve seen left unchecked will actually do more harm and how do we harness them again so that they’re tools not weapons?

Again, I go back to the 2016 US election as a major referendum, almost, on the Facebooks of the world. This is something that you’ve spoken about and thought really deeply about.

Maybe something that we can talk about later is I’d love to just hear you narrate your own story. To respond to maybe Gideon, maybe what we can do, it seems like there is a larger conversation happening right now in the whole world about liberal democracies and their ability ...

There’s an opportunity to go broader, and I’d be interested to. Just right off the bat, I’d like to go deeper.

That’s interesting.

How much of what he writes about is focused on particular…It sounds like he’s maybe grafting this more abstract political culture into specific policies.

You felt like he captured…

What does he take as a starting point? How far back into Taiwan’s history does he go [inaudible 9:03] ?

It looks at Taiwan’s political culture, basically, in this moment and how it developed up until this point.

I wonder, just from your perspective, having talked to him and having seen the piece that he wrote, what you felt he captured really well and then also of things that maybe you had discussed or that are on your mind that he didn’t get into.

Embarrassingly, I haven’t read Gideon’s piece yet.

Perfect. Thank you. I’ve already read Carl Miller’s work. He had a piece in the Wired UK. He had a piece in the BBC. I know that this is his research focus himself.

That’s right.

I’ve read some of his stuff. He had a piece in the Wired UK.

Exactly. That’s what I’m thinking. Does that sound OK to you?

It looks like in Taiwan, it’s a case study to maybe show things that have been going right…

There’s a stark contrast, obviously, between Taiwan and China right now, the different directions they’re moving when it comes to technology and governance. From an American perspective, it’s a case study and how technology has gone wrong when it comes to elections and the damage that technological tools can have ...