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Very interesting. Do you have any other questions?

What do you mean by that?

Yeah.

I want to compare the strategies, but I’m curious if you have any insight into things like that.

In general, I’m very interested in the memories. I’m also, just because you’ve been on the international stage, curious about what you think is different between the US and Taiwan, the strategies in negotiations, because I’m looking at the LGBTQ movement, and I want to interview people here and do ...

I said I needed to interview, but it’s improper for a co-author to also be an interviewee.

You’re good?

Do you have any more questions?

Very interesting.

The last question we have is, what are your thoughts about preserving and keeping alive the memories of these events for future generations, as you continue to pass that down these? What the society has done and what these movements have done?

It’s a tribute.

That’s wonderful.

You have some also.

Do you also?

You do?

Yeah, maybe NFTs.

Draws lines. Very interesting. Do you keep any, it might be digital artifacts or any physical artifacts, to think about and keep these memories of the events?

Also to your point, you were talking about calligraphy and making things through art. How does that influence movements?

Produce, [laughs] and flowers. In the US it’s very more literally being Black Lives Matter, me too. I’m curious how you think these names have influenced any type of negotiations, even within your own movements that you’ve been part of.

Yeah, and also the names of these movements. The ones that struck me when I was in the US, was here we see things like the sunflower movement, lily or strawberry, many wild what can we say?

I like that. The final questions are related to the names and memories of these movements. You’ve talked a little bit about…

What do you do when somebody comes with very angry or negative emotions?

It’s a necessity?

First, I’m curious what positive and negative emotions you felt. Second, how have you managed these emotions?

Our final questions are related to some of the emotions that you have, maybe. We’ve talked to some activists that are more even keel, some are more emotional. Also, within social movements, you often feel both positive emotions and negative emotions.

We could have a whole other interview for that.

Maybe we’ll see that in a couple of years.

I know, right?

Do you think you would have done anything differently?

That’s a new language.

You’ve been talking about these successful movements, what you’ve done. What have you done that and a less successful experience that maybe you wish would’ve done differently?

In our final section, we’re just going to talk a little bit more about your emotions and also the names and memories of these movements. One thing I want to do before I get into that is understanding if you’ve ever had an experience where you’ve been a little less ...

Thank you.

Very interesting. We talk about the short term and long term goals in a negotiation. How have you managed those, because they aren’t always the same thing?

It’s almost like everybody gets a choice, in a sense.

I like my Pokemon too.

Because we’re always saying you have to manage, and you get so much public feedback. You still have to pick a course eventually.

How do you manage that?

Once again, because you’re looking at working with the public, how did you resolve the different priorities? How does that work? When you disagree about how to pursue something, how does that all…?

I need to learn more too.

Here now everything falls apart.

How do you get people to focus on the future, because if everybody’s focused on the…

Now, we’re going to start talking about your negotiation experiences with your colleagues that are a part of your movement. Can you recall and describe a successful negotiation experience? How did you come to develop this strategy that you’ve been talking about, internally?

It has been spreading this way.

Once these negotiations start to gain traction and more social media, more people buy into it, how do you keep the momentum going? Sometimes, in certain social movements — we were talking to some people from the Sunflower Movement — you get exhausted or tired. Within your movement, how do ...

Very interesting. Let me see how we’re doing on time. All right, I’m going to keep moving on.

Interesting. What do you think were the key elements of success of the negotiation? You might have touched upon this already, but…

The place to walk away.

Very interesting. You might tell me whether this question is relevant or not. Have you ever gotten to a point where you’re like, “This is the minimum we’re willing to settle for?” In negotiations, we talk about, a bottom line…