Thank you both so much. Thank you all.

What a perfect note to end on.

Maybe Deepak, we’ll start with you and then Audrey.

In just our last few minutes, I want to give each of you the chance to kind of share final reflections, something maybe that didn’t come up that you want the audience to know about your work or kind of where your work may be going or to give us ...

I think it’s really helpful when oftentimes we talk about kind of democracy, understandably, from a principled perspective in this country, given that, you know, as we heard from Deepak, so many of those core principles and constitutionally enshrined rights are under threat, it is important also to focus on ...

Audrey, thank you. Thank you for being so tangible.

Wow. Wow.

Audrey, building on what Deepak said about inviting more people in, including people who at the moment don’t possibly feel invited or included anywhere, I know you have written and spoken a lot about finding the uncommon common ground. What do you mean by that? And how do you think ...

I completely agree, Deepak. Thank you.

What do you think that would look like here in the United States? What can you give us kind of in this audience today? And I know many of us, you know, are not American. So feel free to cast also the net wider. How should we be kind of ...

Oh, yeah, there are people in the audience applauding.

You know, Audrey just gave a stunning example of high school students, it sounds like, working with their grandparents to successfully campaign for starting school an hour later.

And that one of the reasons Americans have lost trust in our democracy is the erosion of ways to participate and to have kind of tangible agency, to really feel like kind of energy and effort at least somewhat correlates to outputs and outcomes.

And certainly while listening to Audrey, I was reflecting on something that you said, you know, all of 10 minutes ago.

Deepak, I saw you nodding while Audrey was speaking.

Well, I apologize for using an anachronistic term of kind of literacy instead of competency.

Were you the first country in the world to do this?

Thinking about what Deepak just said, what are the ways from your kind of official position that you work with the 20 million people in Taiwan to kind of build the digital literacy so that they’re hopefully not susceptible kind of to those attacks? And also the civic awareness that ...

And, you know, Audrey, I know you talked about what happened, you know, a dozen years ago. You also, though, referenced it’s not as if sustained cyber attacks or, you know, cyber typhoons have stopped. If anything, I would imagine they have accelerated at different junctures.

So I think the decisive sense of we need to authentically catalyze and yet then really purposefully build community is so vitally important.

Like citizens in our family, citizens at school, citizens in our faith community, citizens in their extracurricular activities, citizens who are walking down the street in the grocery store on the subway. And I don’t want that to be a privilege in our country.

Deepak, admittedly, I tell my children, our family’s not a democracy. Their voices always matter, but they don’t have a vote. And yet, I expect them to be citizens every day.

How do you think technology plays a role in moving us forward to hopefully a healthier civic life, whether it’s in kind of a reaction to a particular moment, like we heard from Audrey, or in the most wonderful sense, kind of the banality of every day?

And we heard my mom earlier reflect that for the first time in more than two decades, more people are living in non-democratic systems than living in democratic systems.

You know, Deepak, you’ve written and spoken about kind of the crisis that we have in civic engagement, in civic life, and kind of the connection between those crises and democracy.

Yes.

Audrey, I wonder if we can turn to you and you can share, while I see you nodding, you are still an optimist about technology and kind of what work you’re doing in Taiwan to try to protect and mitigate harms and also simultaneously use technology as a force for ...

We heard earlier this morning Maria Ressa say that these days everything is downstream from information and that mis- and disinformation are upstream from so many of the kind of conversations, the debates that we’re having, whether around kind of global health or climate change.

Oh, thank you again for that warm welcome. I’m really looking forward to this conversation, though before we begin, as I was just saying to Audrey, to the ambassador, I’m just so sorry for the terrible tragedy that Taiwan has confronted with the horrific storms. And so really before we ...