If you go look at that, that means they’re not paying attention to it. The second problem is, when I bring startups into the [Mandarin] , they can’t really work with them.

Yeah, we relinquish all our copyrights. There you go, so you don’t care. You got me there.

Whenever I look at a Taiwan website, I always look at the copyright date. Go do that. Go look at copyright dates. When I joined Liteon, and it was 2004…I joined Liteon five years ago. The copyright date was 2004. [laughs] That tells you, they don’t…

I think the problem is you need to do a pre-training class. If you ask the [Mandarin] what to do, they’re going to go, [Mandarin]. The kids have to go in and say, “This is my skill set,” and we have to prepare the [Mandarin], saying, “Do you have LinkedIn? ...

Right, but there’s got to be a government incentive for HR to get some funds, so that they’re not paying for all this. They work on three percent margins.

When I go talk to [Mandarin], their problem is that their English is bad. They don’t understand social media. Maybe [Mandarin] will come in and do something.

There is no. It turns out they’re all here. We just don’t have the map. We don’t have this community. I asked SMEA for it, and they were like, “Yeah, we have a database,” and they do. They don’t actually publish it and everything.

I think they have the lack of everything. I’m working with another group here to promote Taiwan’s…When I go to Shenzhen, I give the Shenzhen map for hardware, where they’ve got a PCB board. There is no Taipei map, Taiwan map.

There’s got to be incentives in HR.

Yeah, “It was our idea all along. We paid for the original picnic, so it’s our idea.” [laughs] The first question is how do we change in Taiwan to accept AI women interns? Taiwan internship business, the market term is just non-existent.

That was actually a home-grown, based upon people’s views, not because the company pushed it. From the company-wise, we only did that because realized that it was a social. We had to backtrack and like, “Oh, yes, yes, yes.”

I’d land on, we sent people. We did a little thing, picnic on the beach. People realized there was a lot of trash. To pay them a huge company thing, where everybody went out every weekend, and they…

I notice you’re onto sustainability. I work quite a bit in sustainability. It’s very, well, I’ll come talk to you later on that one one day. Because we’re such a cost-efficient model here, getting companies to do it, it’s really hard.

Adding the social word, I think, is going to be…IoT, you can say sustainable, but AI, you can’t say sustainable. IoT, you can.

We’re going to SSDs.

Go to the softwares, design.

I think you’re right. Engineering and architecture are hard words.

You can’t use the same word twice. Go ahead, sorry, apologies.

It’s AI plus IoT.

Because you’re double-using the I.

Is it AI²oT? I’m fine.

I don’t like it.

Oh, sorry. AIoT is a Taiwan word.

We’ll try to work on someone there. What is your advice to us? What would you, if you’re in her shoes, what would you be doing?

Academy?

You mean I don’t have to go in and put my stamp?

You mean so that the banks can actually stay open beyond 3:30pm?

OK, so no rivalry?

You hesitated. [laughs]

Oh, you hesitated. You hesitated.

I’ll ask you one last important question. Who’s a better programmer, you or your brother?

That was really interesting when I got to observe that. I think we need to have this paradigm shift here, because if we don’t, I don’t think salaries will go up. I mean it.

I had a coding company here for a while. It was for robotics. We had two women teachers, two lady teachers. That was very effective, because the teachers accepted it much more than…When they came into the classroom, they were much more welcome than some college guy coming in. The ...

That’s the other place where you need to get into, is the AI Academy. I know one or two people there, but we really need to get them. We need to get them not only for speakers, but also for people who are coming out of the industry, who can ...

I think that’s a mental shift. The problem is no legislator wants to make changes to tax laws, unless that’s…Those are the hard things to do.

I have a camera that…

That, I think, definitely has go to…You’ve got to have incentives for people, similar that you do to, how do you write off your software, amortize your software over three to five years?

What the? This is from the ‘80s.

I can’t. When I do capital investment, I can write it off, but I can’t do capital…Only your PC, I can write off.

Just five years ago, I said, “Hey, let’s do AI.” They said, “Oh, no, no.” They said, “What’s the ROI?” I said, “Well, I can’t calculate it.” They said, “Well, I’m going to spend the same amount of money on [Mandarin] , and that, I have an ROI on. Not ...

You’re not. I wrote about this, that the problem here is that the tax laws are from 1980, ‘70s and ‘80s. That it’s easy to write off hardware, so capital investment. We didn’t want to invest. They didn’t want to invest in software.

Sorry. You’re not going to get me down that pass.

Then the content expert is the one we import. You show up at the airport with a hard drive, and your knowledge of what results you want. It’s the same problem that we’ve been dealing with for 40 years. If we just can convert this model over to that and ...

Well, this one, you not only make. We make a lot. The spec are not us. Just like Foxconn, they don’t make the iPhone. They get the spec, and they do…Same thing, if we can find people who know algorithms, who know data science, who know networking for optimization, who ...

Oh, it’s an iPad? No, we make that one.

It’s very surprising that people think this is a such a…The thing is, you know what I believe, is that Taiwan is a contract manufacturer for AI. Just like Bomba, we make that keyboard, but it’s not our spec. That is the Microsoft spec. Yeah, that’s a Microsoft.

It’s actually not. When I show them the math, it’s like, “Do you know linear algebra?” Every kid here studied linear algebra and then calculus. It’s something that was already done. Every EE here can be converted.

When I speak on this, it’s like, “Oh, it’s really, really complicated.” No, it’s not.

I think we need to start in the undergraduate world, people selecting their major, and in the high school area. We’ve got to go down to the grassroots and build up the desire. It’s not the fear. I speak on this every week.

She thought she was going to be out for a long time.