And then the AI is going to reach out to other people and find other people who have similar models or similar situations. But the AIs are going to be mutually distrusting, right? Because they don’t trust each other, and they don’t even trust the humans who are running them.

And the AI is going to make a plan for me to be happier. But that plan is going to involve me working with other people. Like the AI is going to maybe figure out that, oh, Barry’s going to be happy if he’s involved in an open-source project with ...

So, I think that we’re going to live in a world where there’s lots of different AIs, that I’m going to have a personal assistant AI that’s going to tell my AI, oh, I want to be happier.

Okay, nice.

Okay.

And you use LLaMA for chat?

Oh, really? Cool!

Yeah, exactly.

And then you can go one step further and say that the picture in the passport matches this other picture of me. And you’re able to build these more attestations about different ways that, yeah, you can have machine learning models that people are able to execute privately. And this ...

And so, okay, let me give you the vision for this. Okay, so one of the visions is that you can make a machine learning model that checks if you have a picture of a valid passport. And basically, you would give the model to people and people would make ...

These are super interesting ideas here. So, we’re doing a bunch of work with ZK machine learning. And basically, we’re able to, I think we’re almost able to make a proof that you did a single inference of ChatGPT 2, which with reasonable improvement time or whatever.

Okay. For sure.

I was really interested. Sorry.

So, let’s talk about AI.

I think that this is really nice.

I think that in the short term, digital identities and the Zuzalu Passport type things could be really interesting, because this is just a really nice API for developers. You can make any website and you can have all of the citizens of Taiwan sign in. And they just give ...

So, I see this as a really nice way to have interoperability between Web 2 and Web 3. If you’re able to explore emails, specifically the proof of provenance of an email, because an email by itself doesn’t really make much sense, but the provenance is what’s important. This is ...

So, every email actually has an RSA signature from Google, and it’s part of this anti-spam mechanism. So, you can also make a proof that you received the email.

So, I can make a proof that I logged into Google or logged into a bank, and you can use this to export all these different interesting credentials. And this seems like another interesting way to achieve the same thing that you’re talking about.

It was designed to be the case that when I request a website, I can’t make a proof that a website serves me certain data. So, we have this project called TLS Notary that turns this into an attributable thing.

There are some ways that we can actually bootstrap these networks without having to have the issuer agree. So, the way the internet works is based on TLS, transport layer security, and this is inherently non-attributable.

It’s really cool, it’s like, with just a whole bunch of peer-to-peer connections, you’re able to calculate people’s global trust score. And this seems like really… like this is very researchy at the moment, but it seems like a very exciting idea to be able to, once we have this ...

That makes sense. So, in this world where we have many different credentials… I’ve been thinking about this too, and there’s a couple of algorithms that seem really interesting in being able to surface the real richness of the data in such a network. Did you hear about the EigenTrust ...

Oh, okay.

Okay. And do you see a world where there’s a single issuer of credentials like the government, or do you see a lot of different credentials being issued by different people?

IRMA.

So, it’s a pretty interesting kind of use case and application. The wallet that you translated already; do you know what the proof system is that it uses?

Oh, right. Yeah. Okay, cool. Well, at Zuzalu, we have this ZK password that you use to authenticate at events. You can use it to vote online and participate in the vote and stuff. For me, this is a really interesting use case of this technology where you can have ...

Was this with Polis, or with…

Oh, really? You were there?

Yes. Did you hear about Zuzalu?

I’m Barry. I do a lot of work with zero-knowledge proofs. And in general, like programmable cryptography. I think it’s a very exciting way to make our world more secure and more trustworthy.