So with AI, it is now possible to simulate human-like behavior so that the existing CAPTCHA, the system that tells robots from humans are no longer robust enough to tell whether those millions of connections are from humans or robots.

A denial of service attack is like keep calling into a telephone line to keep it busy, except it’s for websites and other public services.

So there are many, many ways our liberal democracies are designed to allow a free flow of information, a market of ideas and so on. But without an upgrade toward collaborative diversity, just diversity alone does not counter this kind of hyper focused attacks of persuasion.

And we have seen that the authoritarians who wants to hijack, to hack or attack our democracy have many ways to do so. They range from the cybersecurity exploits, denial of service attacks that Tristan just alluded to, all the way to deepfakes, to sowing discord through the fake videos ...

In Taiwan, we just saw a very successful result of the January 13 election, the first in a year where around 70% of the democratic world will have national elections. For the U.S., it’s November.

Tristan kind of just did that, right?

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And as simple as, you know, not using a plastic bottle, but simply refilling from your local environmental action’s office, that simple action on the Fong Cha phone app shows you how much you’re contributing and how much it’s being appreciated by people all over the world who are on ...

I put on the virtual reality glass in 2016. I immediately opened the star chart and held the Earth like between my hands, and I had this overview effect happening to me. It looks like a very brittle, small thing and suddenly borders no longer matter, because you cannot see ...

Of course I agree. Which is why we have built a chat bot representing a river. A river is a kind of spirit that lives longer than humans, and it is more than humans. One of the most human more than humans that we know. And Yukiko asks, “Can you ...

Yukiko said: “Democracy is based on each nation and is from humans for humans. By the age of climate change people need to think and act beyond national borders.”

Yes. Where are you?

Yes, because it is in kanji, right? I read kanji.

I saw Yukiko’s name ever since I joined the conversation.

Yes, of course.

You know her, yes.

I am part of an exception, because I do my psychoanalysis in English, so I can think of English thoughts, but mostly in Taiwan it doesn’t work like that. So yes, with this kind of native language model we can switch to a different imagination of bilingual education in that ...

Yes, I think for Taiwan, I think most Taiwanese in universities, they read and hear, listen English just fine. It’s just that they don’t want to lose the nuances when they express. Right? So, we all read English. That’s not a problem. But when we write in our native language, ...

Yes, exactly.

So the end result is, like a ‘Babel Fish’ right, a universal translator that takes care of the dignity of the indigenous nations and their culture and the most important part is, it needs to be open source and community governed, so that it is the indigenous nations in control ...

So, at the moment, what we do is that people can call to sign language interpreters on their zoom, or online, or some, other team’s conversations, and so the sign interpreter joins the conversation and does the interpretation. But because such video channels also have automatic subtitle abilities, so that ...

And once we have this kind of language model, we can then have simultaneous conversations, even lip syncing. That is to say, my lips will move as if I am speaking an indigenous language and the sound will still match my sound, except I’m speaking the indigenous language. And this ...

Yes. It is a big problem in Taiwan that if you try to speak to ChatGPT with anything that’s not Mandarin, ChatGPT doesn’t know it, fakes it, and speaks Cantonese, while assuring you, it is speaking Dajing, so it doesn’t work. So, instead we think our own language models should ...

So, I think this is the kind of basic income that I would personally more enjoy, and this is the kind of thing that we give out as, for example, the voting credits or tokens as part of presidential hackathon and other ideas on it and so the soulbound tokens.

Unfortunately, most of the people who make them publicly are scammers, but I hope with the FTX and whatever, they are now gone and some people who are still in the web3 space are hopefully people who are more willing to public infrastructures for plural money. The great thing about ...

Yes. To me, we talk about the universal part, which is democracy and participation in the Social Sculpture. The basic part and the income part to me are two different things. The basic part to me is the socialist core. In the Taiwan Constitution, essentially all the basic needs should ...

Yes, as I shared my heart condition. Right. Vita Brevis Ars Longa: Life is short, art lasts. And the Social Sculpture is the kind of art that lasts because it is us. It is within us. Yes. So, I totally agree with the sentiment.

Exactly, yes. Common experience that needs everyone’s participation that then leads to common knowledge and common belief. When I worked with people in Palo Alto during 2008 to 2016, for eight years, they have a Gordon Biersch, at a restaurant there and we have one in Taipei and we arrange ...

That is to say, I believe this, and you believe the same thing and I believe you believe the same thing and so on. And that can still scale to a reasonable size. And as technologies improve, that capture more micro expressions in a privacy preserving way and then transmit ...

That is to say, they are just one or two degrees apart and it don’t mean that it cannot work on a larger scale. There are larger communities like the scientific community, of course, that have common knowledge and there are evidently more than 20 thousand people. But my point ...

No, I think what I mean simply is, that a community needs to have common knowledge, or common belief, or a common purpose, where common knowledge means that: I know that you know that, and I know, you know that. And you know that I know that, at infinite, right? ...

Yes, that’s a great question.

So, this is one way, we think, of speculative design or art, it’s very difficult to tell these two apart now, can influence political decisions. So, if you’re interested in how we try to steer a very controversial conversation about water pollution and nuclear energy into something that primary schoolers ...

So, they have some sort of legal personhood. And our intervention is to try to make it such that when they attend board meetings, instead of having humans only representing the rivers, there’s interest to instead have a community of participants, data scientists, primary school children or whatever, to synthesize ...

So, yes, your question, I think, does not have a universal answer. It does rely on people’s ability to mobilize and visualize the relationship with nature, in this case with water. We have a team member working on a project called: ‘Say Hi to the River’. And what she is ...

Yes, it really is a problem. I think data center and the environment is a very important topic. In Taiwan we import a lot of our power energy sources like gas and so on from abroad, and so security of power sources is definitely a problem here. Now, Microsoft also ...

And, I said that jokingly to Nick Clegg, the VP of Global Engagement of Meta, just last week. We had a discussion about it. Yes. He was at the Athens World Democracy Forum, and he said, quoting me, that after learning about my work in alignment assemblies and so on, ...

So, I mean, this technology fits entirely with my dignity and the dignity of people in the same room in mind, despite it may be broken from time to time. That is well understood. Consider, if my eyeglass is not like this, but rather an optical camera, like the one ...

Because the context is lost. The compression is very glossy, and the profit incentive means that you end up consuming much more than you contribute to the common knowledge. And when we say, ‘assistive technology’ or ‘assistive intelligence’, I mean, specifically looking at my eyeglasses, which is ‘assistive technology’, right? ...

Yes, I think it needs to start at the lowest scale. It’s only when any 100 people anywhere feel comfortable that they can - with the help of digital tools that assist them, not automates them - can come to collective decisions together. Can we think about 20 thousand people ...

Yes.

Yes, like now. Right? It also means that I meet people where they are. Because I can work anywhere as a minister. So, if I am to travel, and I do, every week on average in the past few months, I spend two days a week in Tainan in the ...