Yes.

Big news.

Yeah, she is the host.

Suddenly it’s about you. Would you like to be part of it?

Because of our perfect ambassador. I said that on record.

Yes, with the best startups.

Yes, I think the infodemic, according to WHO…

Yes, this is how we fought the infodemic.

So, the idea is that if we take things down, it actually fuels conspiracy theories. But if we don’t take it down, but add clarification, it’s like mRNA, right, who is a vaccine. So people get the virus, but they also get the antidote. And then they become fellow fact-checkers ...

Yes. So, the journalists working at the Taiwan Fact Checking Center, again, independent, not government-run, then issue their full clarification report, and say the story was misleading or false and things like that. And then Facebook and other messaging ecosystem take the fact-checked reports in and display this notice. So, ...

And as of this year, the community also uses GPT-4. So GPT-4 will first do a critical reading of the analysis. And so, with AI and the community, there’s evidences for clarification. And the professional journalists on the Taiwan Fact Checking Center, part of the International Fact Checking Network, look ...

And so, the fact checkers and the community can focus their energy on the things that are going viral, but not focus their energy on things that are not going viral anyway. And so, for those going viral stories, it’s like contact tracing. They trace the sources, they make sure ...

So, the same system here. LINE lets any user flag something as probably scam or spam. And once you flag it as possibly scam or spam, LINE provides a dashboard. So, you can see which things are going viral based on voluntary report of the people. And so, you can ...

Yes. So, it’s an ecosystem. The LINE company agreed to provide a flag button. So just like your email, you will have a button that says flag as spam. If you flag that email as spam, it sends a signal to spam house and warn every other Gmail, Outlook, Hotmail, ...

And the bot will look at the message and seek for clarification or context. So, if there’s already clarification, the minute you share this, the bot will say, by the way, here is the full story. And Twitter also took that.

Right. So, the work of the g0v, the Cofacts people basically said, you can invite a robot to your chat channel. And the robot comes from maybe the leading antivirus company, maybe the leading antivirus game.

Many people, as you said, because their phone has a very small screen, so they just look at one picture and two lines of text. The frame is done. So, even though those two lines of text are not untrue, they’re misleading.

Before the corona, yes. And there were, at the time, people, academic people, politicians, that advocate for a notice and take down but we did not choose that option. We chose instead notice and public notice. So, we never take down journalist work but we always add context. So, for ...

So, I will first go back to 2019, when we were having the discussion in the cabinet. There are people…

My current job.

Now, of course, I’m a cabinet minister now with my portfolio at the ministry. But all the ministries, including ours, still follow the same protocol that we established in 2018-2019.

Yes. That was established, I think, around 2018-2019. When I was at the time minister without portfolio. And we worked together with the spokesperson at the time and another minister without portfolio on this principle and implementing it.

Yeah. 200 words, 2 pictures to clarify, to add back context.

It’s a different frame.

Yeah. We don’t have an anti-vax political faction. Everybody got vaccinated.

The next thing would be the ministers wanting to force journalists to change headlines and we don’t want to go there.

Yeah, but we are the government officials. Once we start saying this news is fake or not fake, it becomes interference from the public sector against journalism. This is something we never do in Taiwan because it’s a slippery slope.

Exactly.

It takes a journalist to say something is fake news.

Yes.

You are a journalist, so you get to use it.

Definitely.

They are walking out.

I see.

Well, it’s on my Wikipedia page, so just look it up.

So, my father is Tang Guanghua.

Yes.

Yeah, my mother is a very well-known journalist.

My dad’s parents, my paternal grandma and grandpa, are both Catholic. They are very devout Catholic people. And my grandparents helped raise me because my parents are journalists, very busy journalists. So, my grandparents raised me.

My grandma supported me throughout.

Transgender?

Yes. So, I don’t have in my mind this idea that half of population is similar to me and half is different. To me, everybody is of equal distance.

So, I’m really somewhere in between.

And the doctors tell me that I have a natural level of testosterone between normal female and normal male. So similar to, I remember he said, like an 80-year-old man or something like that.

Yeah, they’re okay about me being open about it. They think that if it makes me happier, they’re happy. And I mean, I’ve always behaved in a non-binary fashion anyway. When I was 23, 24, I took a testosterone test.

It was when I was 2005 that I become open about me being transgender or non-binary. I think the internet community that I was part of, the pro community, Haskell community, really took it very well. I faced no discrimination. So, I was very fortunate that I was part of ...

Exactly. I’m going to flip-flop.

Oh. When I was 24. I thought it was the year.

24?

Yes. So that’s the idea. And when Taiwan legalized marriage equality, indeed, as you said, we chose a model where we recognized the bylaws, so they enjoy the same rights and duties as heterogeneous marriage… heterosexual marriage. But the difference is that the kinship, the in-laws, mother-in-law, father-in-law, and so ...