Yeah, so I did a personal trip to Japan, and earlier also to Lithuania, and also to UK, also to Israel, and so on. And there is a very strong sense of solidarity now that was not there before the pandemic, frankly speaking.

OK, that’s excellent.

Excellent.

Does Rich and Oliver have anything…

But notably, Taiwan did so without any very violent events. So, each perspective deserves their own narrative, not just my narrative. So, we’re now also working with the community so that they can also contribute their stories.

There’s many people in Taiwan now contributing to specific narratives and section. Because we have a chapter called View from Yushan that talks about the path of democratization. Because Taiwan, you know, 16 indigenous nations, 4 different ethnic cultures, and many more actually. And each has a different narrative toward ...

And it’s free of copyright. And anybody can remix it. So, it’s being remixed as we speak.

Probably by the end of the year.

And we’re writing a book also, kind of serving as the manifesto of the movement. Some of the chapters can already be seen at plurality.net. So, feel free to just reach out, and then we can connect you to more folks.

OK, great. If it’s in Taiwan, of course. If it’s pre-recording, I can accept now. If it’s live, depending on my schedule, but we have the plurality network. And a lot of people are actually in UK or in the US, so it’s very broadly multi-time zone coalition of folks.

Okay. Anything from you?

Great.

Because mostly like the alignment assemblies, the participatory budgeting and things like that, people get to participate literally every day. And that is the sort of thing that the young people, if they engage with that before they turn 18, then they are much more likely to become informed citizens ...

And I think really Taiwan, not just semiconductor chips or cybersecurity industry, but actually, democracy was the thing that Minerva students was most interested in. So, I think we can actually have a dialogue around digital democracy or the digitalization of democracy so that it can expand the people’s minds, ...

Yeah, I think Minerva, which is an American university, that select half a year in each city as a campus. I think they specifically selected Taiwan. I was there when they came to Taiwan and met with President Tsai Ing-wen… Professor Tsai Ing-wen. I’m not a lecturer.

I see. Okay.

Are there new programs aside from the ones that we just talked about?

Sure.

And so, within that movement, there’s a lot of speakers also that you can consider advising.

And recently, there’s also the Plurality Research Network. And the work that we did with OpenAI and Anthropic that I just talked to was also part of the plurality. It’s called GETTING-Plurality Research Network. So, it’s now becoming a movement of sorts.

The ideas we talked about last time, plurality, within the Democracy Network, there’s now an entire section called Plurality Section. And they focus on bridge-making mechanisms to build cooperation across differences. Basically, the thing we just talked about.

Somewhere on this planet.

Definitely. No, I don’t even know where I’ll be.

Yeah, so looking forward to… you said next September?

But if you want an extra recommendation and extra person to talk to, then I’m happy to help as well.

That’s excellent. The youth participation network that we have built together over the past few years did really produce a lot of very good young talent. And they are all very connected. Unlikely that I have connections that they don’t know.

I feel young now. I’m 42.

Oh, wow.

Excellent. Great.

Right? And then, yeah. And I think the US really, in some state level, we’ve seen like librarians or consumer report or public radio and so on playing that role. But I think on the federal level, this kind of credibly neutral ground is very much needed.

It’s not like green or blue or yellow or whatever. We’re all seventeen colors.

Yeah, I think it’s thanks to both the academic, like the National Academy, but also the grassroots, like in the hub, that are credibly neutral. And that you will not imagine them not working with the mayor simply because the mayor belongs to a certain political party. It’s impossible.

So, if it’s around alignment assemblies, I’m happy to talk. But also, DN has now many experts on alignment assemblies. And they are also willing to share with you.

We share with OpenAI and Anthropic and other AI labs for them to align the AI to the communal norms. So, this kind of democratic alignment can solve a lot of bias, monoculture, linguistic injustice, and so on issues. So, it’s called alignment assemblies.

In fact, this coming Saturday, the science minister and I will both be in Shalun on a deliberative workshop to collectively align AI, emerging AI. We listened from a lot of very young people, actually, many people, because we don’t have an 18-year-old limit for the online participation. So, we’ve ...

OK, yeah. So yeah, if you’re coming physically for the town gathering, I’m committed to be here. If it is over the internet, then our Democracy Network department is kind of set up for this kind of engagement. So, if I’m available, I can talk. But also, the DN has ...

More than one, actually.

Yeah, we did very large hybrid events together.

Okay. Yeah.

And is it determined next year where the gathering will be? Will it still be in Greece, because you know, origin of democracy? Or can it be like in Kaohsiung or Shalun?

Yeah. So, it will be the same format as last time?

Last year.

Our office is in Shalun, which is very close to Kaohsiung. It’s on the Tainan-Kaohsiung border. So, on average, every week I spend two days there because the weather and the food are both better. Like, much better.

I see. I see.

Okay.

For how long are you here?

I see.

Rich and Oliver here, we’re all very good friends and colleagues. Back when I led the youth participation council in the executive here, there have been a lot of that.

Sure. Thank you.

So, we’re not buying into the narrative that only top-down, lockdown, shutdown, takedowns are going to save online digital life against the threat of information manipulation and generative AI. We’re basically saying we can actually co-create real-time responses that safeguards and even advances the bandwidth of democracy.