An example of the differences. I think, even if the cams could be used...it always depends about the power relation, where you set it down. I was thinking, for example, the rally of Donald Trump. The other day, they were clearly knowing that there were cameras on a position.
I have a theorem on that.
Yeah.
I don’t know if I’m being clear on this point.
Still, the level of violence on the people who was protesting was really strong and really high. I’m wondering, in what measured way...I think, the way in which you frame transparency and attribute a set of political band, entrenched in the concept of transparency, is not completely neutral, with respect ...
The public was pretty significant and transparent. That’s something that I was thinking about. I don’t know. I was seeing, for example, in Turkey. Last year we had a lot of public demonstration, a lot of cameras on the street.
Something that you said before, it was like, I was seeing all this, which is this idea that...You are saying, “We were able to put cameras on a certain side of the school. The level of violence decreased automatically once transparency was projected in the public space.”
Or any other g0v website?
Still, I was thinking about the other question that you really need to have a critical mass to be able to affect the politicians. My question is how many people follow this website? Is it really active in the society at large?
I was thinking about the participating budget and the website. I am from Turkey. It’s not really a comparison with being how many millions of people we have in Istanbul during the evening traffic.
I actually have a question.
Which somehow, it’s a mechanism that can be enacted just when there is a certain kind of critical mass, I would say, that push other to imitate it with something that exists, but I’m not sure, how does it start? How did it start? What was the original for that?
The point is that it originally relies on the fact that it’s based on a whistleblowing principle, so that citizens will provide this kind of data bottom-up.
Because one problem, for example, we met one of another project, which is like a clean or cozy project, also founded by the UN. It’s called Open Budget, and focuses exactly on providing semantic, blah, blah, blah, blah, for analyzing code.
The platform was also able to, let’s say, activate?
When you started already, you had this source of open data?
A. Exactly, yes.
All this budget platform relies on the publication of budget data and open data from central and local authorities in all the online?
How many ports is that?
There’s no loan from Iceland.
Iceland, OK.
How many Icelands?
It’s obviously possible.
For example, in Italy we’ll have big, big bubble that is corresponding.
Can you show, for example, what is the amount of repaying the debt in this budget?
Can I ask just one question?
You can calculate it in pharma, for example.
You have to be logged in to do that.
The color is meaningful?
Should we start?
I saw so many stuff going around. I went something like three years, went around to all the meetings. I saw things like people discussing outside the meetings, what they want to be presented at what...
Exactly.
I was with guys from Siemens, and stuff like that. It pains me that most of them are there only to do work and business, and go forward. You see what, the old guys, the guys with white hair and beard...
IETF is a standardization where we, it’s where I grew up, the Internet, basically.
What is IETF?
I was in Mesos.
I’m ’90. We are the same age, like... I’ve been to several meetings, because I was working in a draft proposal. I didn’t like the way that was. I don’t know what is your opinion, but I didn’t like that much idea, because you have...
More or less same time.
Did you participate in the IETF?
How old were you?
Because most of the people have no clue what these agencies do, like the Clipper chip, and the Web. It’s important to see, also, if you understand that design is also important.
I think it’s very, very interesting. It’s the first time that I see a presentation about egovernment and this type of movement from people who really know what...
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Very interesting.
My question was quite simple. Just give us some example of projects recently, you came up with this hackathon mechanism, just whatever. Doing this kind of project that has strong ICT content, or there are projects that are completely...
I’m Penn, and I’m a researcher here at CES. I am part of the EMPATIA project, too.
I work as a project manager here and I also work with the EMPATIA project with delivery.
I am Andre, not a Luis, but similar.
I’m Luis. I’m also a member of the project EMPATIA.
