Thank you very much. Have a good day.

Absolutely.

That’s why I’ve never… [laughs]

It’s why I’ve never been able to out my finger on why it is. It seems like such a sandbox of opportunity here.

Why do you think Taiwan is in such a position? It feels so progressive. Is that just the government, or is it the people why?

Like baking it into a better product than it was.

Circular economy, what is that?

What is this called?

Thank you.

Very cool. I really appreciate you making yourself available like this, and I hope I didn’t waste your time and this is cool.

That feels like validation. Talk to this people and just get going.

Absolutely. A lot of what I’ve been doing is going and trying to talk to people that are way smarter than me to see if it’s something that seems…Basically, I’ve been trying to have people poke holes in my idea, and it seems…

Yeah, absolutely.

For me to do this, it involves me having to change my life, kind of. One thing that makes me afraid is like is this even possible? Is this something that can even happen in Taiwan? Is it worth my time and effort?

Another thing, and this is more probably of personal…

I go to Taitung quite a bit, so this would be great.

陽光伏特家.

One thing to me is that a lot of what I need to know is way outside of my expertise, and I don’t know how to necessarily gain access to that. Do I have to go to school for land planning to even start doing this, or what is a ...

And there’s not as much bureaucracy.

They’re used to it.

In this process, I’ve got an untraditional background. I went to school for geography, and I came out here and I started a pizza place. Now me and my wife opened up this factory, and it’s just us figuring out how to do it like restaurant, and a factory arguably ...

Where are they?

What’s the name of it?

It’s like you create a system with a government body looking over like we’re agricultural co-ops. I call them agro-electric co-ops. They look at managing the land as well as managing the rotation of these solar panels.

The idea is that you would have this system that would be managed by…To me, what actually excites me the most isn’t the production of energy. It’s more of like I see this like a rural community development project.

Eventually, it’s like if there’s, say, recharge the land we need to let the land sit fallow. There’s periods of time where you just let…

The big problem here is that the COA doesn’t want to build any fixed in farm fields, but I’ve been having this idea of if you could create solar panels that could be redeployed within an area that could be then moved around to work within agricultural cycles…

As I’ve driven out there, and I see all this agricultural land and the way that it’s spatially oriented, I’ve seen this opportunity to use agrivoltaics of putting solar panels in farm fields to feed into these local…

It’s more of this idea that I’ve been developing. Over the last two years I’ve worked out in Humei. We built a small pizza manufacturing factory, and every day I drive out towards Longjing, to the sea, the power plant.

Yeah.

I have this idea that’s bigger than me, and I believe that it could provide a lot for Taiwan, and I want to work on it. [laughs] I’m unsure of how to do that. I get very discouraged by it sometimes.

One reason I wanted to talk to you is because you seem like you’re very about collaboration. I agree, it’s important for how we move forward like a species, but I’m not very good at it. I’ve traditionally done things myself and have powered forward.

I have a lot of admiration for you. You’re like a tech paladin. I’m usually pretty bleak on tech, but I appreciate your outlook on things. I’m a little nervous, so…